Round 2--marble veils..

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...a much better spawn this time  ...and on the slate too 

Gm/+ Z/+ pb/+ X Gm/+ Z/+ pb/+

3.125%   Gm/Gm - Z/+ - pb/pb - Blue Gold Marble(dd)
3.125%   Gm/Gm - Z/Z - +/pb - Gold Marble(dd)
3.125%   Gm/Gm - +/pb - Gold Marble(dd)
6.25%   Gm/+ - Z/Z - +/pb - Silver Gold Marble Zebra(dd)
6.25%   Gm/Gm - Z/+ - +/pb - Gold Marble(dd)
1.5625%   Gm/Gm - Z/Z - pb/pb - Blue Gold Marble(dd)
1.5625%   Z/Z - pb/pb - Blue Zebra(dd)
1.5625%   Gm/Gm - Z/Z - Gold Marble(dd)
3.125%   Gm/+ - Z/Z - pb/pb - Blue Silver Gold Marble Zebra(dd)
6.25%   Gm/+ - Z/+ - Silver Gold Marble Zebra
1.5625%   +/+ - Silver
3.125%   Gm/+ - Silver Gold Marble
6.25%   Gm/+ - +/pb - Silver Gold Marble
1.5625%   Gm/Gm - Gold Marble(dd)
1.5625%   Z/Z - Zebra(dd)
3.125%   Z/+ - Zebra
3.125%   Z/+ - pb/pb - Blue Zebra
3.125%   +/pb - Silver
6.25%   Z/+ - +/pb - Zebra
3.125%   Gm/+ - pb/pb - Blue Silver Gold Marble
12.5%   Gm/+ - Z/+ - +/pb - Silver Gold Marble Zebra
1.5625%   pb/pb - Blue Silver
3.125%   Gm/+ - Z/Z - Silver Gold Marble Zebra(dd)
3.125%   Z/Z - +/pb - Zebra(dd)
1.5625%   Gm/Gm - pb/pb - Blue Gold Marble(dd)
3.125%   Gm/Gm - Z/+ - Gold Marble(dd)
6.25%   Gm/+ - Z/+ - pb/pb - Blue Silver Gold Marble Zebra

[wsantia1]

Congrats. That sounds like a real good batch. I have to find my male BM a new girl friend. He beat the snot out of his old one and I had to separate them. She now has only one ventral fin and her other fins are ragged.

She's coming around in a 40 breeder with two other wounded fish.  

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We'll see how they look in the morn'n.......I'm letting them parent raise...

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..still doing well.....

[waterboy]

Are those Marbles or Goldmarbles?  Your genetics showed all Goldmarble but they look more like Marbles to me.  My KOI (GM/GM - S/S) don't have nearly that much black. 

Actually, I am the last one that should question them as I have never had any Marbles.

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Are those Marbles or Goldmarbles?  Your genetics showed all Goldmarble but they look more like Marbles to me.  My KOI (GM/GM - S/S) don't have nearly that much black. 

Actually, I am the last one that should question them as I have never had any Marbles.

I'm thinking Gm on these two....but a fry count will tell the story...I don't recall any marble siblings tho... ...they do carry a zebra which adds to the black coverage...plus no stripeless gene...


Ok modifying this....you got me thinking, so I went down and looking at what siblings I have left from that spawn.....it looks like you may be correct  as I don't recall any silver gold marbles either.....which I should have had if the original male had carried a Gm.....I know my original pairing, this pair is an out cross, that there were Gm in a few......so the female must have carried the Gm...while the male did not, which is what I used.....excellent .....thanks for making me revisit this pair...good to reinvigorate the brain cells....LOL

[waterboy]

LOL  Got me thinking too. A pretty stupid question based on very little knowledge.  The proper question might have been...Can one tell the difference between a Gm/Gm and a M/M or is the only way to tell by looking at the fry or knowing the genetics?

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LOL  Got me thinking too. A pretty stupid question based on very little knowledge.  The proper question might have been...Can one tell the difference between a Gm/Gm and a M/M or is the only way to tell by looking at the fry or knowing the genetics?

...the difference between 'Gm/Gm and a M/M' would be less marbling on the 'Gm's.....the gold masking the dark somewhat....remember both Gm and M are incomplete dominant and will express in single dose.....so a Gm/M can be tricky....especially with stripeless involved..and the Gm's are more prone to having gold crown coloring....so a blend can express in many ways.... ....then there's Gm/+ and M/+....both would express marbling to a lessor extent ..

When you get a spawn hatched out, you can look at the resulting phenotypes/genotypes fry, and counts of each ...then work backwards to get a good idea what the parents carried as genes...

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...still doing a nice job.....I'm seeing a few wigglers popping too....

[waterboy]

Good luck with your batch.

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Good luck with your batch.

...thanks....I was just down watching them....they are tending nicely and putting the tumbling wigglers back on the slate... ..now to see if they move them ?

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.... ....they moved them to the sponge....

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.... ....they moved them to the sponge....

..still there in a mass on the sponge...just a wiggling away.....

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....well.......she's moving them back to the slate now.........

[LizStreithorst]

The genetics stuff if over my head.  I just know that they are a beautiful pair and they're caring for their kids.  I shouldn't, but I might be interested in some of their offspring.