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Altum Cross?

Started by wallace, August 05, 2016, 08:56:36 AM

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wallace

August 05, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Is it common for people to cross domestic angels with wild altums? It would be an interesting challenge, but not sure at all what I would end up with. Better shape, maybe.
Dan

Mugwump

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August 05, 2016, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Is it common for people to cross domestic angels with wild altums? It would be an interesting challenge, but not sure at all what I would end up with. Better shape, maybe.

I think most of the Altum crosses are being done with Peruvians....not a true Altum......even the Dantums are more likely Peruvians....the background lineage is questionable....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

wallace

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August 05, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Found an interesting article which I'm sure you have seen. I would want to try Rio Atabapo altums, more for shape than for color. Snookn has some now.

http://www.dph.nl/article/cat-04/peruvian.shtml
Dan

Mugwump

#3
August 05, 2016, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Found an interesting article which I'm sure you have seen. I would want to try Rio Atabapo altums, more for shape than for color. Snookn has some now.

http://www.dph.nl/article/cat-04/peruvian.shtml

...follow this along as well.....Ken started it..

http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=34151
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

wallace

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August 05, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
I had read that a while back and thats the shape I like. Its all so mysterious... if the goal is an altum-like shape, why use SI scalare?... or am I getting myself confused -LOL
Dan

Mugwump

#5
August 05, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
I had read that a while back and thats the shape I like. Its all so mysterious... if the goal is an altum-like shape, why use SI scalare?... or am I getting myself confused -LOL

..the Sta Isabel has been probably one of the closest scalare to the some of the desired 'Altum' characteristics....one gorgeous angel IMHO  |^|
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

Mugwump

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August 05, 2016, 10:35:15 AM
some that I had....more fry growing out now....



Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

wsantia1

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August 05, 2016, 10:45:02 AM
Jon is right and those fish that he has/had are drop dead gorgeous. It's been "rumored" that Scalare and Altum have spawned but I don't think there is documented evidence of that. If anyone has the "evidence" please ledt us know. |^| |^| |^|
Willie

Too Many Fish. Not Enough Tanks.

wallace

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August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.

Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.
Dan

Mugwump

#9
August 05, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.

Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.

...yes, I have many older sponges that have been around seemly forever, like old friends...it'd be hard to see them go....so I just keep cycling them in when I clean/change them out of the tanks......
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

wsantia1

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August 05, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on August 05, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.

Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.

...yes, I have many older sponges that have been around seemly forever, like old friends...it'd be hard to see them go....so I just keep cycling them in when I clean/change them out of the tanks......

I hope you are successful.  |^| |^| |^| |^| |^|
Willie

Too Many Fish. Not Enough Tanks.

ghonk

#11
August 05, 2016, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.

Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.

REAL Altums  have to be a lot older before breeding,tank raised maybe  sooner but i'm guessing still would need to be quite a bit older.   

wallace

#12
August 05, 2016, 01:59:35 PM
I'm beginning to understand... these are taxonomically different species, and it has likely never been done before? I assumed that wild crosses were with altums, but this is not the case apparently. I need to do some more reading. The stuff on the forums (TAS & finarama) is way over my head.

Dan

ghonk

#13
August 05, 2016, 06:48:03 PM Last Edit: August 05, 2016, 08:05:30 PM by ghonk
Altums are a lot more difficult to breed then scalare,as far as a cross i think the best way would be to use a proven Altum male and a scalare female.
I did read someone did the cross,but the offspring didn't survive,i think they died before free swimming,or soon after.

wallace

#14
August 05, 2016, 06:54:48 PM
Yes, if they are anything like heckles it will be the wild male, so that makes sense. I know that Mike (19ghost79) has had some great success lately with altums.

Dan
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