As long as we're talking about crosses....

[LizStreithorst]

What is good to cross to HB.  I introduced Zebra.  I back crossed to pick up ps which is a weak but beautiful gene.  I can think of nothing but crossing to a blue. It has been done before but I don't mind reinventing the wheel if the wheel is hand made by me.

If I don't go to blue, what other choices are there that might excite me?   My HB's are good but if I go on breeding the same old thing I will surely die of boredom.

[b125killer]

I like the blue half blacks, there a pretty fish. You could also do an albino half black. I think Ed has a koi half black too.

[Mugwump]

I like the blue half blacks, there a pretty fish. You could also do an albino half black. I think Ed has a koi half black too.

Ed has a few koi that look similar HB, but you can not have a Koi HB....the gold marble, or gold, in double dose will mask the expression......I would have to double check, but I believe that a/a masks it too....

[Mugwump]

As for the Albino half blacks....here's a thread from some time back....they never were quite successful tho......I thought that I'd seen a pic of something with reversed colors...or lighter colored in the half black expression area.......can't find it yet......??...could have been a mutant gold?....Frank was trying g/g h/h a while back but I don't think he scored...g/g masking the black..anyway....

http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=7967&highlight=albino+half+blacks.

[Mugwump]

Here's a pic from further in the thread....note the partial HB expression....also, I'm not seeing where James did a cross to a true HB to verify he had h/h, in lieu of h/+..... 

[JC]

What is good to cross to HB.  I introduced Zebra.  I back crossed to pick up ps which is a weak but beautiful gene.  I can think of nothing but crossing to a blue. It has been done before but I don't mind reinventing the wheel if the wheel is hand made by me.

If I don't go to blue, what other choices are there that might excite me?   My HB's are good but if I go on breeding the same old thing I will surely die of boredom.

Hey Liz how many half black pairs are you currently working with?  I've always been fascinated by half blacks but never had any

[EdKaz]

Ed has a few koi that look similar HB, but you can not have a Koi HB

Ed is down to just this ONE that has a kinda halfblack look to it anymore. As they continue to grow out, the black in the back section of the others has spread and thinned out much more than this one did.

Sorry bout the crappy phone camera pix (too damn lazy to get the real camera out right now)

[Mugwump]

Nice pics, Ed....great looking Koi too... 

[LizStreithorst]

What is good to cross to HB.  I introduced Zebra.  I back crossed to pick up ps which is a weak but beautiful gene.  I can think of nothing but crossing to a blue. It has been done before but I don't mind reinventing the wheel if the wheel is hand made by me.

If I don't go to blue, what other choices are there that might excite me?   My HB's are good but if I go on breeding the same old thing I will surely die of boredom.

Hey Liz how many half black pairs are you currently working with?  I've always been fascinated by half blacks but never had any

I have a ton of hb pairs but most are for sale.  I'm currently working with 2 pairs.  One pair is very prolific and are excellent parents.  They're both ps's.  The other pair is a superveil male and standard female, both het for ps.  They foil me at every turn.  Haven't been able to get get their kids to free swimming yet.  I have many sub adults and may keep one more pair.

[JC]

Neat. Do you have good success with them turning?  I've heard it can be hard to get ones that turn or have a very very low percentage that do turn if any do

[LizStreithorst]

It varies hugely from pair to pair. My ps pair that are so prolfic came from a spawn that close to 100% turned, so I have high hopes for their fry.  I usually can count on 30 to 40% turning.

[JC]

Do you have any pics of your pairs?

[LizStreithorst]

No, but I'll take some and post them.

[Mugwump]

Do you have any pics of your pairs?

This one of Liz's pairs....

[JC]

Oh yeah I remember them from your place Jon. Gorgeous fish