HB wigglers

[LizStreithorst]

They have just barely started wiggling.  It's a first time pair.  They are out of a standard finned female and a veil male.  They are both Zebra hb's.  They are a son and daughter from my number one pair.  I'd decided to keep the pair rather than sell them because IMHO they are good and suit one another well and their parenting skills are excellent.  The male bites me during WC

No promises until the kids free swim.  Some pairs eat them when they free swim   I have a good feeling about this pair, though.  If all goes as I hope, these will be the little 'uns that I give for the price of shipping to our current members who want a net full.

I'll take pics when the time is right. 

[PaulineMi]

Best of luck with them Liz. 

[Mugwump]

+1.....    you can put me on the list for some, yeppers 

[wsantia1]

Good luck with those wigglers.

[LizStreithorst]

+1.....    you can put me on the list for some, yeppers 

But Mug,  they're both het for pearl scale.  You dislike that as much as I dislike DD's.  If you want some, you're first on the list.

[Mugwump]

+1.....    you can put me on the list for some, yeppers 

But Mug,  they're both het for pearl scale.  You dislike that as much as I dislike DD's.  If you want some, you're first on the list.

trust me, I'll weed out the pearl scale...LOL.... ....with that combo, you'll get 25% HB, 25% HB pearls, and 50% 'hets' for pearl......

[LizStreithorst]

You really want to breed them ?  Yes, you can weed the pearl scale out, but it will take a lot of generations.  The recessive genes may find one another for generations.  One never knows what evil lurks when it comes to recessive genes

I worked hard to introduce the gene.  You'll have to work hard to make yourself free of it

[Mugwump]

You really want to breed them ?  Yes, you can weed the pearl scale out, but it will take a lot of generations.  The recessive genes may find one another for generations.  One never knows what evil lurks when it comes to recessive genes

I worked hard to introduce the gene.  You'll have to work hard to make yourself free of it

A well planned cross should do most the work.....

[LizStreithorst]

If you can rid yourself of the gene I worked to get in there in one breeding, you are a better breeder than I am.  A recessive gene can lurk around in the background for 'bout ever.   Best of luck to you, Mug 

[Mugwump]

If you can rid yourself of the gene I worked to get in there in one breeding, you are a better breeder than I am.  A recessive gene can lurk around in the background for 'bout ever.   Best of luck to you, Mug 

It won't be one breeding, just maybe a cross to a HB PB without pearl....increasing the odds to 50/50 of no pearl....if I get lucky and select a hb/hb on the first try....I'll know by the offspring pairing counts...who knows...??...I've gotten rid of a gold that way.....

[ghonk]

Simple,yes.Just breed them to a pearl,until you find the one's that don't carry it.

[ilroost]

Best of luck with them Liz

[Mugwump]

Simple,yes.Just breed them to a pearl,until you find the one's that don't carry it.

That'll work too....a sharp eye can sometimes spot a 'het' pearl...the area around the dorsal base and caudal fin base pop a pearl 'orphan' scale.....

[Barb]

Jon, for the uninformed (me) can you tell what you have against the pearl scale?  My solid white, blue pearlscale is simply gorgeous.  He and his lady are in their own tank now, getting ready to spawn.  She is the blue, black and white marble.  I don't know about angel genetics, I just enjoy beautiful ones as my pets, for 43 years now.
Barb

[Mugwump]

Jon, for the uninformed (me) can you tell what you have against the pearl scale?  My solid white, blue pearlscale is simply gorgeous.  He and his lady are in their own tank now, getting ready to spawn.  She is the blue, black and white marble.  I don't know about angel genetics, I just enjoy beautiful ones as my pets, for 43 years now.
Barb

Barb, that beautiful Plat pearl was likely one of the 20-30% survivors, if that, which didn't have nubs/missing/splayed or crooked ventrals.....the rest either died, or were culled. Pearl scale, especially in Plats, is responsible for more culls that any other trait.....
While I acknowledge that it looks good on several phenotypes, it's a scourge to a breeding line.
-  If I wanted pearls, I would breed them as a separate line and never cross in to anything else here.
- Imagine obtaining a long sought after pairing for your 'specific' line, then discovering upon breeding F2 fry that you have the cursed pearl.....it stinks, trust me....LOL....time, and genes lost....