BSP x Pinoy

[Babers]

These are pb/pb too, right....

Yes

[Mugwump]

These are pb/pb too, right....

Yes

..if you had to do phenotype counts?....what would you count for.... ....I ask because you're the first person to show result that I know of.....thank you

[Babers]

Don't know if the size spawn I have is a good enough representation, but it's close to 80 babies...maybe a little more. This is just attempting to count each phenotype without netting the fish. So not accurate but close enough.

22- looks like blacklace (single dose dark)
12 - double dark
10 - platinums
13 - silver type with dark fins
25 - greenish body color with dark fins 

[Mugwump]

Don't know if the size spawn I have is a good enough representation, but it's close to 80 babies...maybe a little more. This is just attempting to count each phenotype without netting the fish. So not accurate but close enough.

22- looks like blacklace (single dose dark)
12 - double dark
10 - platinums
13 - silver type with dark fins
25 - greenish body color with dark fins 

...interesting...thanks...........might the "greenish body color with dark fins '...be the seal points?  ...guess we'll see...

[Babers]

i don't know which one is going to be the BSP. Dont know if the body color will change later on or if they will stay the same. Don't know if the stripes of the silver-looking ones will fade ( the male BSP parent has stripes but greenish and barely noticeable. It gets darker sometimes).

Maybe Raiko can help with this...I posted them in another forum...hopefully he'll chime in.

[Babers]

...or are the platinums going to be what he mentioned on this thread "The New Platimun"

http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showpost.php?p=279000&postcount=248

[waterboy]

Good job Joel.  Pretty much the same as I am seeing in mine.  Some of your dark ones might be D/g Pinoys.  You have a bigger batch than I do though, I have about 20 that size and another batch smaller.  I have no sign of BSP in mine, I am really hoping they "turn" like a half black. 

[Mugwump]

...or are the platinums going to be what he mentioned on this thread "The New Platimun"

http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showpost.php?p=279000&postcount=248

....he'll need another name for sure....Plat being g/g pb/pb......who knows what that may carry...plus it's more off white/dull compared to Plats....

[Mugwump]

Good job Joel.  Pretty much the same as I am seeing in mine.  Some of your dark ones might be D/g Pinoys.  You have a bigger batch than I do though, I have about 20 that size and another batch smaller.  I have no sign of BSP in mine, I am really hoping they "turn" like a half black.

....any pics Dale ?

[waterboy]

No, I have a hard time getting decent pix with the crappy camera I have, but mine look pretty much the same as Joel's.

Here is what the calculator says they should be.

#    Genotypes       Phenotypes      %
1    g/+,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/+,+/+,pb/pb   Blue silver               12.5%
2    g/+,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/bg,+/+,pb/pb   Blue silver Bulgarian   12.5%
3    D/+,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/+,+/+,pb/pb   Black lace Pinoy           12.5%
4    D/+,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/bg,+/+,pb/pb   Bulgarian Seal Point   12.5%
5    D/g,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/+,+/+,pb/pb   Black hybrid Pinoy   12.5%
6    D/g,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/bg,+/+,pb/pb   Bulgarian Seal Point   12.5%
7    D/D,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/+,+/+,pb/pb   Double black pinoy   12.5%
8    D/D,+/+,+/+,+/+, +/+, +/+,bg/bg,+/+,pb/pb   Bulgarian Seal Point   12.5%

Although how one tells the difference between the single and double dose bg has yet to be determined. So far none look like Seal Points, but I am hoping they turn as they get older like half blacks do.  Some of mine certainly look like Platinums so I guess my female probably has a gold gene.  Will have to run the calculator again.

[Babers]

Dale...Which calculator did you use that has a Bulgarian gene incorporated to it.

[Mugwump]

Dale...Which calculator did you use that has a Bulgarian gene incorporated to it.

..likely 'Angelfins'...

[Babers]

Dale...Which calculator did you use that has a Bulgarian gene incorporated to it.

..likely 'Angelfins'...

Angelfins doesnt have it. Paul's calculator doesn't have it also. Is there another calculator?

[waterboy]

Dale...Which calculator did you use that has a Bulgarian gene incorporated to it.

I used Angelfins but it doesn't have the Bulgarian green incorporated.  I plugged in pearlscale because I don't have any and then changed any p/p or+/p output to bg/bg or +/bg. Should be reasonably accurate with what little is known about the bg gene.  Almost any recessive gene should work reasonably well.

[ghonk]

Anyone have b/g fish without p/b.
OR plans to breed the p/b out of SOME of their stock.

I was disapointed when Raiko shipped no straight b/g's,as far as i know.
It's cool that some fish have both,but i personally would have rather  added p/b myself,once i tried to figure out what they were geneticly without it.

Seems like it would be MUCH  harder now trying to decipher the alphabet soup.