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THE POND-THE FRESHWATER PLACE => Angelfish => Topic started by: b125killer on February 05, 2014, 08:05:44 AM

Title: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 05, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
My Number two Pair spawned Yesterday! They decided to spawn as I was getting ready for work. Mommy is doing ok at tending. Daddy is beating the snot out of a young pleco in there. There was a few bad eggs this morning but it looks like she was trying to take care of them. I'm not holding out much hope. I have had a few spawns go bad this winter. I think my water is off. I ordered a TDS meter. should be here today. Then I can decide where to go from there I hope. 
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 05, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Congrat's on the spawn....perhaps they'll raise and make you happy?... ;D
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: wsantia1 on February 05, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
Good luck Scott.  I hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 05, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
Thanks guys, it's 24 hours later. Dad still guarding from the pleco and me. Mommy has cleaned all but three bad eggs off the slate. she is also fanning them like crazy now. ;D Still trying not to get my hopes up.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: LizStreithorst on February 05, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
They're doing great! 
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 05, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
Are those some of mine?....if they are, they're siblings have been raising...
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: LizStreithorst on February 05, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
Pics please.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 06, 2014, 07:59:43 AM
They ate them. :(  It looks like the first pair is getting ready to spawn. tubes are down and cleaning the slate.
They are some of yours Jon. I'm still not to sure but I think the water is off. Still waiting for my meter too.
Here is a pic of number 2 pair Liz. I wasn't able to get one with there eggs.
(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y461/b125killer/Mobile%20Uploads/fe88dbba-4709-49d0-a966-08176e74ccf2_zps406ada23.jpg) (http://s1276.photobucket.com/user/b125killer/media/Mobile%20Uploads/fe88dbba-4709-49d0-a966-08176e74ccf2_zps406ada23.jpg.html)
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: shatanka on February 06, 2014, 08:02:27 AM
Sorry about the spawn being eaten Scott. maybe you can pull some from their next spawn. NICE LOOKING Koi!!! 
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 06, 2014, 08:10:34 AM
That stinks....did your flash yellow/gold the color up....??...all their siblings are much orange'r...???..
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 06, 2014, 08:19:58 AM
Thanks, I have pulled a few spawns from different pairs. one was a proven pair of St. Isabel/Rio Negro, all went bad. I'm thinking that my winter water is out of whack. Last winter I had the same problem. I just didn't know enough to make sure it wasn't something I was doing. This year I'm sure it's nothing I'm doing wrong.
The lighting in that tank isn't the greatest for taking pics. I'll get a pic of number 1 pair later. They have better lighting and background colors to help the orange pop.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 06, 2014, 08:22:06 AM
You might be able to cure the water issue with a filtering set up like I have....it's cheap and works exceptionally well......
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 06, 2014, 08:31:29 AM
I did got a r.v. filter last weekend. it hooks right up to the hose. http://www.camco.net/Products/Item?prodID=10059#.UvOchPnlapA
I just haven't hooked it up yet. I was waiting for the TDS meter to get in.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 06, 2014, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: b125killer on February 06, 2014, 08:31:29 AM
I did got a r.v. filter last weekend. it hooks right up to the hose. http://www.camco.net/Products/Item?prodID=10059#.UvOchPnlapA
I just haven't hooked it up yet. I was waiting for the TDS meter to get in.

That's pretty much for drinking water, etc. at 100 micron..but test it for chlorine and TDS's, it'll be better than what you've got for sure.... You'll likely need something inline with carbon, and sediment filters @ 5-10 microns......that cleans it up pretty good.....
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 07, 2014, 08:03:06 AM
What about this filter?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Stage-Whole-House-Water-Filter-Clear-Housing-Sediment-CTO-RVS-WELL-BOILER/321316569195?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D19841%26meid%3D4668657000169337171%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D8934%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D191062019174%26
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 07, 2014, 08:09:17 AM
Yep, something like that.....with sediment in one, then carbon...even a couple, dependent on how bad your water is...??
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 08, 2014, 07:09:32 PM
I got the tds meter in. It's reading 380 in the tanks and 350 in my aged water and out of the tap. I hooked up the little r.v. filter and now it's reading 300 out of the tap. I guess I'll get the other filter next. I'm going to use the r.v. filter first then the other filter next. If that don't work I'll get a r/o system.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 08, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: b125killer on February 08, 2014, 07:09:32 PM
I got the tds meter in. It's reading 380 in the tanks and 350 in my aged water and out of the tap. I hooked up the little r.v. filter and now it's reading 300 out of the tap. I guess I'll get the other filter next. I'm going to use the r.v. filter first then the other filter next. If that don't work I'll get a r/o system.

I'll bet that little r v filter blows out quickly....they aren't made for volume water filtering...
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 08, 2014, 08:00:29 PM
I bet it does too. It said it last three months of normal use. I'm sure there not thinking of the volume of water I use. Plus it's not really doing that much to filter water.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 15, 2014, 06:25:03 PM
I finally got a filter system hooked up. I cut my tds almost in half. It around 220 now. I should be able to start getting asome good spawns now. ;D if not I can always add more filtration to the system. 
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 15, 2014, 06:42:48 PM
Sounds like you're on the right track.......bring on the fry... ;D
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 15, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
I like the filter set up too. I can add more filters if I want and there is a r/o membrane I could get for it too. The hole system cost me less than $50 dollars. That's with the hookups and hoses I used.
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 26, 2014, 06:08:59 AM
Any more spawns?....the water should be much better now.. ;D
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: EdKaz on February 26, 2014, 08:34:52 AM
 

I also used the filter housings (3 stages) to filter my tap water for water changes. First is an OMNI filter (Rs14)10 micron sediment filter,followed by a 5 micron carbon (OMNIFilter T01) Filter, and finally a .5 micron carbon block (Culligan D-30a or Omnifilter CB1) filter.

Certainly not the BEST way, but using the three filters allowed me to run straight outta the tap to do 10-20%  every other day water changes (with reasonably cleaned up water) on the 30 plus tanks of angelfish I had going fairly quickly.

With just a 1000 gal rating and  $13-$15 a piece for the .5 carbon block filters it was a bit pricey,but my water here gets spooky at RANDOM times and the setup gave me a lil piece of mind without lots of hassles.....and the fish kinda liked it.


Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: Mugwump on February 26, 2014, 08:47:42 AM
That's pretty much what I'm using too. Ed.....works great, and the waters pristine....I may add another double sediment/carbon unit in the back room to run thru it too.....water outfits have a way of getting you with the surprise hydrant flushes, and water pipe replacement up here....
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: b125killer on February 26, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
My tds is still too high. Around 300 ppm in the tanks. I'm getting a R/O system. Just waiting on the mail lady to bring it. I'm only going to use the R/O for the breeders. I should be set after this next round of filtering. I was also thinking of using the wast water from the R/O unit to do water changes for the neolamprologus multifasciatus, They like hard water. I will check out the wast water first to see if it's okay to use.  I go through so much water as it is. I don't like the ideal of wasting water. 
Title: Re: koi spawn
Post by: EdKaz on February 26, 2014, 04:51:03 PM
QuoteI was also thinking of using the wast water from the R/O unit to do water changes for the neolamprologus multifasciatus, They like hard water.

There is an angelfish breeder  in the Chicago area that has said he uses his RO waste water for his angel fry/juvie tanks.....something about all the EXTRA minerals etc. "good for the fish"?

If I tried that out here, I'd be just as well off throwing rocks at the fish, or filling the tanks with rocks :(