I think I was wrong. I'm thinking that what ever was making the base of Pb clowns fin red was bad. It's a good thing I pulled him out of the tank. To bad I was a little late in doing it. The PB clown still has the red fin not sure why. other than that he seems fine. I have his heat turned up and doing 25% daily water changes.
Now the tank that I took him from isn't looking so hot. All the angels in there have something going on. some look bad. I think it might be bacterial infection but not to sure. I'm starting to turn up there heat and I have some Metronidazole Powder. I don't want to use the Metronidazole because it's not for bacteria. if that's what it is. I did check there water and it's good. no ammonia and nitrates. Nitrite where 5ppm. I need to know what is going on and how to treat it. The tank that's infected has all my adult angels in it. there is three breeding pairs in there that I would hate to lose. the only thing that is different thing in the tank is the Purigen that I have been using. but I don't know if that would cause such a mess. The plus side. because of what I have learned from the good people on here I have been using separate cleaning hoses and different nets on the aquariums so that's the only tank that got hit.
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When did you start using the purigen?....Did you start with the other filter media for a bit?..or just swap it out? How long has it been running(purigen)...is it dirty?...did you just clean it??
Quoteno ammonia and nitrates. Nitrite where 5ppm.
Nitrites should be zero if the biofilter is working right (maybe you met nitrates).
If you have soft water I would be tempted to throw in some aragonite to up the carbonates. 7 Carbonate molecules are required to process each ammonia molecule to nitrate. Carbonate could be limiting biofilter function.
Adding salt will increase slime coat production.
Yea I always get the nitrites and nitrates backwards. I started using the Purigen last Saturday. I changed swapped the carbon out.. I left the two sponge filters in there tank untouched. The sponge filters are the big ones. there should be more than enough filtration with just the sponge filters. I do 25% water changes on that tank once a week. It is a little overstocked. but there is also 4 filters on it. two sponge one hot mag and the canister. I did change the stuffing in the hot mag. but it's the same stuffing that I have been using on all the tanks without any problems. I'll start doing daily water changes on there tank too. I'm just not sure what is wrong. all the other fish in there are doing good. I have the Bolivian rams and clown loaches in there. I would think that if the water was bad the rams and loaches would be the first to get sick.
Scott have you added any new fish to that tank recently? Lower your temp in there, it is probably bacterial and high heat will make it even worse. Get Furan 2, Metro won't help. Do big water changes daily and ask Liz for help!
Barb
That's what I was looking for too.....do some big water changes 50% , or more even...keep checking your parameters.....don't change any filtration...clean water does wonders..and yep, get the heat back down, hot water is an oxygen eater too....you need lots of aeration when you turn up the heat...like Barb said, it'll make things worse....things will work out...
If what Mug says doesn't work I would try Kanamycin and Furan in combination. They work well together. Metro won't help.
I haven't used metro yet. I wanted to wait and ask first. I haven't added any fish in months. The last fish I added where skunk cories. One of cories did die about two weeks. I'll turn down the heat. How low should I get it. That's probably why they got so bad I seen it yesterday and started to turn the heat up. I'll start doing big water changes too.
Regular temp 80-82....
I don't know what Angelfish people do. With Discus we turn it down to the lowest temp that they are comfortable in which is 82. Maybe 77 with Angels?
I buy all my meds from Jehmco.
Scott, before you go off and do as I say, realize that I'm just guessing when it comes to Angels. Surely someone who knows his shit will show up and rescue you.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on November 28, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
Scott, before you go off and do as I say, realize that I'm just guessing when it comes to Angels. Surely someone who knows his shit will show up and rescue you.
LOL...Houdini???
If nobody around here knows more that I do about disease I will be embarrassed. Scott can take my advice or go with his gut. I did some of both when my fish got sick. I started by doing as suggested and went more and more toward following my gut.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on November 28, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
If nobody around here knows more that I do about disease I will be embarrassed. Scott can take my advice or go with his gut. I did some of both when my fish got sick. I started by doing as suggested and went more and more toward following my gut.
I agree...but it's hard to diagnose on line...
Huge WC are the best start. The fish look clamped and miserable. I see the red especially around the pectoral. I may be paranoid but I'd want to have the correct meds on hand in case WC doesn't work.
I've seen two Angel guys on. Neither has posted. I guess neither of them have ever had sick fish.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on November 28, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
Huge WC are the best start. The fish look clamped and miserable. I see the red especially around the pectoral. I may be paranoid but I'd want to have the correct meds on hand in case WC doesn't work.
I've seen two Angel guys on. Neither has posted. I guess neither of them have ever had sick fish.
Clean water cures most ills......keeping clean water usually prevents most ills. If you practice good quarantine habits, that should rule out the other issues.
Sorry to hear about your fish Scott. I am a novice when it comes to angel illnesses. I usually hit the water changes hard and used the Kanamycin. Sometimes I would do the metro flake from angels plus if I thought it was a non bacterial situation. That being said I have had several angel losses throughout the year so I really hope yours get better.
Thanks Guys, I have turned down there heat. I keep there temps at 79. I'm going to put it to the low 70s. I know how important huge water changes are. I will do a 50% to 75% water change tomorrow. and keep up with 50% until they get better. If I don't see improvment in a few days I'll look for the Kanamycin and Furan. I know it's hard to diagnose on line. I was already thinking that it's bacterial Just wasn't sure. Yes Liz there fins are clamped and they look miserable. you can see that the first pic real good. I'll be upset if that one doesn't make it. that's one of the first angels that I breed. I'm a novice too when it comes to angel illnesses and breeding for that. I also have had several losses but I think alot of that was I didn't know what to do. A lot of the time when I see a sick fish I just euthanasia it. I haven't had much luck curing fish. It's just that all the angels in that tank are sick. I have had most of them for a long time. some I have breed myself and I'm proud of them. there my special angels. I will try and cure them. I'm just not holding out much hope.
Just a thought....1) keep the temp about 75, or so...2) if the fins are damaged, sounds like an ammonia spike, or shot of chlorine??..lots of clean water will help a bunch....careful with the temp/ph swings..I wonder too if the purigen did too good a job and caused the mini-cycle??? ie starved the sponges??...just tossing out thoughts..
Quote from: Mugwump on November 28, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
Clean water cures most ills......keeping clean water usually prevents most ills.
I'm with Jon on this. I'd change as much water as I could on a daily basis for a while and see if they don't get better. I noticed you said you had 4 filters on this tank... no amount of filtration will take the place of regular large water changes.
Here's hoping your fish all pull through!
Dennis
I hope your angels pull through. One other thought....if you don't age your water watch out for the gas that accumulates in the hot water tank this time of year. The tank runs more often in cold weather and the resulting gaseous microbubbles affect the fish the same way "the bends" affect divers.
Quote from: PaulineMi on November 29, 2013, 09:54:42 AMif you don't age your water watch out for the gas that accumulates in the hot water tank this time of year. The tank runs more often in cold weather and the resulting gaseous microbubbles affect the fish the same way "the bends" affect divers.
I never knew that Pauline. Thanks for that info.
If you are doing massive WCs age your water if you can. All the CO2 gasses off when the water has a bubbler in it for 24 hours. With the gassing off of the CO2 the pH of the water is the same as the pH of the water in your tanks.
I have the temps at 76 right now. I did a water change last night. unfortunately I can only do 20 gallons of aged water right now. I'm going to look for a bigger container today. I use API Stress Coat Plus when I have to use tap water. but I'm sure it wouldn't do anything for gaseous microbubbles. I will test the water before I change it today and post the results. I didn't think the purigen would of caused this much trouble. I guess if it isn't broke I shouldn't of messed with it. :(
It shouldn't Scott....I was just looking for a reasons for it to spike, if that was the issue???
QuoteI hope your angels pull through. One other thought....if you don't age your water watch out for the gas that accumulates in the hot water tank this time of year. The tank runs more often in cold weather and the resulting gaseous microbubbles affect the fish the same way "the bends" affect divers.
We had a similar problem repeatedly in fish facilities in Oregon.
Our explanation of this is slightly different although the ultimate effect is the same.
Higher temperature water can hold less dissolved gas. Colder water can hold a lot more. Water under pressure (as in a pressurized water line; mine is at 80 psi) will force more gas into solution in the water. Water under less pressure will hold less gas in solution.
The water in the hot water heater will be able to hold less dissolved gas due to it high temperature. If it is really hot it will hold almost no dissolved gas. For example, when you boil water, before the water temperature gets to boiling, small bubbles are produced for a time and then stop. This is not some preliminary boiling of water (producing steam) but rather is the forcing of dissolved gasses out of solution in the water. This production of small bubbles stops when the dissolved gasses in the water are depleted. The water continues to heat up until it boils. The water in the hot water tank is under pressure, but we thought not enough to push the dissolved gasses back into solution.
During winter, cold water can get very cold and can hold huge amounts of dissolved gasses. When it is under pressure in the pipes additional gasses that might be in the pipes can also be forced into solution in the water in the pipes.
Combining the hot and cold water together reduces the cold water temperature and letting the water out of the pipe (reducing the pressure on the water) work together to reduce the ability of the volume of water as a whole to maintain all of the dissolved gases it has in solution. It is therefore a supersaturated solution. As a result the dissolved gas comes out of solution spontaneously as small bubbles. The bubbles are most easily formed on certain solids, like container surfaces and in fish tissues which causes tissue damage resulting in symptoms of the bends.
Another common cause of supersaturated water is to have a leak in a pipe upstream of a pump. The upstream side is called the suction side because the pump is sucking in the water. Instead of water leaking out, air leaks into the pipe and goes to the pump. It a centrifugal pump housing (where the impeller spins) the water pressure is increased (this is how the pump moves the water) and the air leaking into the pipe can become supersaturated at the increased pressure and high turbulence in there before it goes to the tank. This is more likely to happen with larger pumps that can push water to higher levels (therefore produce higher pressures).
If you see bubbles on the container you are putting water into, the water could well be supersaturated.
This can be dealt with in several ways. The easiest involves increasing surface area, water turbulence, and aeration. All of these promote gas exchange so that the water is in equilibrium with the atmosphere it is in contact with.
This can be done by spraying the water instead of dripping it, greatly increasing aeration in a tank, reducing the amount and rate of water added to a tank (especially small tanks), or running the water over a wet dry filter (a 5' tall wet-dry filter can make the water completely at equilibrium with the atmosphere). Putting the water into a bag (or some other closeable container) 1/2 full of water and shaking it violently will equilibrate (de-supersaturate) it with the atmosphere in the container.
These tricks can also be used to control the dissolved gasses in water. For example, if oxygen free water is desired, water an be exposed to a pure nitrogen atmosphere under conditions favoring rapid gas exchange. Oxygen and other gasses will come out of the water and more nitrogen will go in.
Quote from: BillT on November 29, 2013, 03:31:32 PM
The easiest involves increasing surface area, water turbulence, and aeration.
That's exactly what I do with my tap water..... spray it into the aging vat, then it gets churned up by a HOT Magnum keeping it in motion. By the time it get further agitated by the pump that delivers the water to the tanks it's good to go.
Our home is a low pressure system operating with a 30-50 PSI pump switch, and it still gets lots of trapped gasses.
Dennis
I got another water container. this one is bigger then the last but still small. it holds 30 gallons. but with both going that's 50 gallons total.
I did a 50% water change but it wasn't aged water. Tomorrows water change will be aged water. I also added KanaPlexs and Bifuran+. I dosed the KanaPlexs for 40 gallons and the Bifuran for 30 gallons. It sucks that it has to be one of the big tanks. It's much cheaper to dose smaller tanks. I figured I was going to cure or kill them. I did test the water ammonia still reading 0, nitrite 0, and nitrate is at 40ppm. That's high! I think Jon might be right. I'm thinking it did a mini-cycle. I just didn't notice the ammonia spike. The nitrate shouldn't be that high if there wasn't the presents of ammonia. I think that's how it works right? I'm a little surprised that the rams and loaches don't seam to be affected by it. I always hear if the water goes bad the rams die first. The loaches are suppose to need pristine water too. I hope everyone makes it through this.
wow, that is high. did you test any other tanks to make sure your test kit was giving correct results?
When I used the Kana/Furan mix I dosed both at full strength.
Have you tested your source water in addition to doing as Liz stated?
Bill....excellent explanation. I always thought it was the hot water that held the gasses.
Quote from: b125killer on November 29, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
I dosed the KanaPlexs for 40 gallons and the Bifuran for 30 gallons.
Liz is correct in using the medications full strength. It is commonly thought that an incomplete course of antibiotics or low doses can lead to resistance to that particular antibiotic by allowing the bacteria to make adaptive changes under less stringent conditions.
Dennis
Quote from: BallAquatics on November 30, 2013, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: b125killer on November 29, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
I dosed the KanaPlexs for 40 gallons and the Bifuran for 30 gallons.
Liz is correct in using the medications full strength. It is commonly thought that an incomplete course of antibiotics or low doses can lead to resistance to that particular antibiotic by allowing the bacteria to make adaptive changes under less stringent conditions.
Dennis
Yep, incomplete treatment is inadequate.
I'm still not convinced that med's were entirely necessary.
Quote from: Mugwump on November 30, 2013, 08:47:06 AM
I'm still not convinced that med's were entirely necessary.
Nor am I, but I was hesitant to go there. :(
Dennis
I tested my fry tank the other day and everything was good there. I haven't tested the source water I will do that later today. I know how some people feel about using med's. :-\ If it was any other tank I would just do the water changes and let nature take it's course. It's just these angels are special to me. I don't want to see them suffering like this.
It's so difficult to decide what to do when faced with this stuff. You are doing the best you can for your fish as you obviously care about them. I wish you success.
I'm not sure about the particular antibiotics., but they may be affecting your biofilter bacteria. This could be the cause of elevated nitrites.
Depending on when the tests were done vs. when the sick fish were noticed and antibiotics used, elevated nitrites could be the result of the antibiotics and independent of the illness. Of course the nitrite should be fixed anyway.
I typically use antibiotics very rarely because of concern about the biofilters. I usually use salt/aragonite, temperature, water changes. I am now curious about the possibillty of keeping a big UV on hand to plug on a tank of sick fish to knockdown any bacteria floating around (minimal effect on the biofilter). This however would require an investment and would not affect those bacteria attached to the fish. Another darwback of UVs is that they will not be very effective on larger things likeflukes and worms or in water with a lot of tannins or particulates (which block the UV).
Another approach (not tried by me) is to change the water and net out the fish and dip them into an antibiotic solution for some relatively short period of time. A friend of mine does this with about 10x antibiotic solutions but for a few minutes. It could also be repeated.
Quote from: b125killer on November 30, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
It's just these angels are special to me. I don't want to see them suffering like this.
I feel your pain Scott. It's all just part of the learning curve and sometimes there is just no clear course of action. We're all pulling for them to come through in good shape.
Dennis
Scott, get em well..that's all that counts. I feel for you too, sometimes in these situations..you're between a rock and a hard place...save pictures of progress, and do a log on every step that you take along the way....it'll be invaluable in the future...are they starting to look better????
I did the water test before I added the meds. I have the powered filters off right now. I think the beneficial bacteria in the hot mag should be ok. I might of killed it on the sponge filters. I'm doinging big water changes still. They don't look any better but they don't look worse eather. I haven't lost one yet. I just hope they get better soon. The meds say to discontinue use after three days if there's no improvement. The furan said I could do a dip with that. But if it didn't work in the tank I'm not to sure what it would do as a dip. I'm thinking after the three days I'll just keep up on the water changes.
I tested the water before I did there water change. The parameters haven't changed. I tested the tap water for nitrate that was at 0. I also used the full dose of both meds this time around. I'm hopping that I see some kind of change tomorrow.
Meds may not have been necessary but that red in the fins didn't look good to me. Sometimes the problems that result from poor water quality cannot be resolved with water changes alone. The fish become susceptible and get a bacterial infection. I know that Angels are much more resilient than Discus and my experience is mostly with Discus. If my fish looked like that I'd have medicated so that's what I advised.
How do the fish look today?
I lost three of them. :'( I found two dead and one knocking on deaths door. I help him along :( I did a 50% water change and tested the water before the change. The good news Is the nitrate went down to 10ppm. the bad news is the ammonia is up to .50ppm and the nitrite is at 0. I guess it's going to have to cycle again. There was also the two big dead angels that I don't know when they died. that couldn't of helped anything. I guess it's lots of water changes and testing and see what happens.
Wow, that's sad Scott. You can come on down and we'll figure out what adults that I have to get you going again.
Really sorry to hear this Scott. Keep that tank very clean and do large frequent water changes, as in daily, and hopefully the remaining angels will make it. There are lots of discus these days with a similar disease going around. Many fish are dying. It may be a virus that leads to the bacterial and parasitic infections. It is not only your fish. Good luck!
Barb
Sorry to hear about your losses Scott. I know how much you cared about those Angels. Like Jon I also have some young adults that can help you out.
Thanks guys, I have been doing big water changes on there tank. It just sucks that I had a few good pairs in there. I still think it strange that the rams don't seem to be affected by any of this. I was thinking that if anything was wrong with the water quality that the rams would die first. I thought that's why discus people like rams.
Sorry they didn't pull through Scott.
Dennis
I'm so sorry, Scott. I can't figure out about the Rams either. They are the canieries in the coal mine.
So sorry to hear that you lost them.
You know Scott, putting all the info. together, Rams not affected, angels dying rather fast, I still think it is a virus that the angels are susceptible to but not the other fish, they have some sort of immunity. Possible that some other new fish brought into another tank carried the virus, even though it didn't affect that fish. Viruses are nasty. And they can travel through the air.
Barb
Today I did a 90% water change. I'm sure the water company is going to loving me this month. The water parameters are the same. Ammonia is still high. I'm hoping it will go down soon. I didn't lose anyone last night. one of the angels actually looks a little better. She came up and eat a little bit too. The rest still look bad. It wouldn't surprise me if I lost a few more.
Quote from: b125killer on December 04, 2013, 08:34:18 AM
Today I did a 90% water change. I'm sure the water company is going to loving me this month. The water parameters are the same. Ammonia is still high. I'm hoping it will go down soon. I didn't lose anyone last night. one of the angels actually looks a little better. She came up and eat a little bit too. The rest still look bad. It wouldn't surprise me if I lost a few more.
Try throwing away the filter media, then replacing it with old/used/seeded media from another tank...
Not sure about the details of whats going on with your tank and fish, but if your fish can handle it you might want to reduce or stop feeding them. Ammonia starts coming out of fish after they are fed and continues for only a few hours. Healthy fish can easily last several days without food.
Bacterial metabolism will also produce ammonia from processing of old uneaten food and feces. If the tank is clean this should not be a problem. If you filter is harboring a lot of sludge you might want to changeout or replace it. I like Jon's idea of replacing your current filter with a mature one from another source.
Another option would be to use an ammonia bindings material like chlorAmX, zeolite, or an nitrogen compound binding resin. These would physically remove the ammonia compounds from the water but would not affect their production.
More water changes done. I think I might of changed enough water out of that tank to fill a small lake up. The parameters are a little better too. It's still showing about .25ppm ammonia but at least it's going down a bit. I also put in a seeded sponge to help out. Maybe tomorrow the ammonia will be undetectable. On a sadder note I did lose another angel. For some reason they just don't seem to want to go without my help. I seen her laying on her side at the bottom barely breathing. I hate it when I have to finish the job. :(
Sad Scott..it looks like you're getting an indoctrination into the dark side of fish keeping....it has hit us all some place along the road...but we learn from it, and it reminds us to be vigilant and adapt our techniques for the better.....because we sure don't want it to happen again.
Not much change today. I'm going to do another 90% water change later. I just don't have the energy this morning to deal with that big of a water change. another one of the angels is looking a little better too. I still have two angels that don't look that great. But that don't seem to be getting worse. I'm thinking about getting some zeolite. This ammonia spike is driving me crazy.
It's trying very hard to cycle...that's a sand bottom tank too, right....when's the last time that you cleaned/stirred it up?...you might have a bacteria pocket in a corner or under something that doesn't get moved often??....but seems like the water changes are helping...is the ammonia reading still dropping?
It's been a while since I have stirred it up that great. The sailfin pleco and clown loaches constantly dig in the sand. They do a decent job but there are spots they couldn't get into. I'll do it when i get the water change done. Yea the ammonia is a little lower but not much. I can still see the color change in the testing. it's getting fainter but still there. That's part of the reason I wanted to get the zeolite or something to that affect.
Scott, are you using Safe or Prime to dechlor. the new water you are using? If so, that will give you a positive ammonia reading. You may not have ammonia at all, just a false positive with the dechlor.
Barb
Quote from: Barb on December 06, 2013, 08:43:33 AM
Scott, are you using Safe or Prime to dechlor. the new water you are using? If so, that will give you a positive ammonia reading. You may not have ammonia at all, just a false positive with the dechlor.
Barb
Good thought Barb....I know the API test kits do that with Prime/Safe....
I never thought of that, Barb. You are absolutely right
I have been using API Stress Coat plus. But that might explain why the nitrite is 0. The nitrate is 10ppm to 20ppm the colors are to close for me to tell apart. do you think I should go back to the normal water changes? Then I can start to use aged water.
Thanks everyone for all your help. It's a good feeling to know I have friends that can help when I have problems.
I didn't do a water change on Friday. On Saturday I did a 90% water change with aged water. Today I tested the water. Ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 5. ppm that makes me happy. Also what angels are left are doing better. I think the worst is over. I managed to save my St. Isabel/Rio Negro that was from the first successful spawn I had. A pb blue that I spwaned. and the female He. everyone else has passed on. I lost 5 breeder angels out of that tank. and two cory's now the tank looks so empty. :( My parents stopped by yesterday with a gift for me they got me 2 marble angels. I have them and a few cory's in the Q.T. tank for now. I like that they where thinking of me but I wish they would of waited. I told them I didn't like to get fish from the lfs. also I don't have a tank to put them in yet. But I do have the sacrificial lambs to put into the big tank when there ready ;D
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He is still infected but looks so much better
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pb blue
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Het everything.
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New marbles from my parents. There not happy about being in a ten gallon tank. but I have been bit to many times not to Q.T. new fish
Happy to hear that you've turned the corner on all this....regular water changes sound good to me...
Great to hear things are better Scott. That was very thoughtful of your parents. :)
I'm sorry you've had to go through this, Scott. I know how much it hurts.
The fish your parents gave you look very nice to my eye. You'll have to take the plunge and introduce them to the other Angels at some point, but we'll cross that bridge later.
That was kind of your parents and they have good taste.
Quote from: PaulineMi on December 08, 2013, 04:55:34 PM
That was kind of your parents and they have good taste.
Now I know where Scott inherited his good taste from...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks everyone. They did do good for not knowing to much about fish. My mom wanted to put 5 Synodontis Eupterus in there 36 gallon tank. :o The new angels are spunky little things. I'll give them some time alone in the q.t. tank. Sad thing is I usually do q.t. for new fish so I don't get the other fish sick. This time I'm doing it so I don't get the new fish sick.
Quote from: b125killer on December 08, 2013, 09:05:41 PMSad thing is I usually do q.t. for new fish so I don't get the other fish sick. This time I'm doing it so I don't get the new fish sick.
I'm in the same boat, Scott. But I can;t introduce new fish until May 1st. When I say I know what it's like to have been through what you have, I really really know. It's tough.
I was hoping I was done with the die off. I guess I was wrong. My pb clown and Chocolate blue males are gone. I did pull the pb and put him into his own tank and he hung on for a some time. I was hopeful that he was better. The chocolate I have no ideal what was wrong with him. So far his mate seems fine. He was eating good, just up and died, with no signs. Now I only have the wild cross for breeders, There still doing good just stubborn. On the plus side I have some koi that are pairing off. I have to leave all of them in the tank they are in for now. I don't want to move fish around until I know for sure things are ok. The Marbles are still in there Q.T. tank too. I also have some chocolate paraiba fry starting to show good colors. That makes me happy now I hope a few are males. I'll breed them back with the mother.
Quote from: b125killer on December 25, 2013, 12:45:05 AM
I was hoping I was done with the die off. I guess I was wrong. My pb clown and Chocolate blue males are gone. I did pull the pb and put him into his own tank and he hung on for a some time. I was hopeful that he was better. The chocolate I have no ideal what was wrong with him. So far his mate seems fine. He was eating good, just up and died, with no signs. Now I only have the wild cross for breeders, There still doing good just stubborn. On the plus side I have some koi that are pairing off. I have to leave all of them in the tank they are in for now. I don't want to move fish around until I know for sure things are ok. The Marbles are still in there Q.T. tank too. I also have some chocolate paraiba fry starting to show good colors. That makes me happy now I hope a few are males. I'll breed them back with the mother.
So sorry to hear that Scott! :(
Well that stinks.....How many tanks involved?
So far I have keep it contained to the 72g. most of the angels are looking better he was one of the last that just wasn't doing as good. that's why I put him in his own tank. also I can do a better job keeping a small bare bottom tank clean. I'm not thinking the Chocolate had the same issues. he didn't show any signs like the others, just up and died. Also the female is still doing good. they had there own tank too. The fry, Plats, And Koi, are still eating like they are little pigs. I haven't lost anything out of them tanks. I'm trying to be so careful not to cross contaminate anyone. All the tanks have there own cleaning equipment. And I clean the nets with a bleach mix.
Have you considered just breaking the 72 down and cleaning it well...then starting it over?...
I was thinking about that. If anything else dies in there I might do it. I hope that he will be the last one to go.