.....1st spawn...stay tuned....pair hopefully not 2 females...didn't catch them in action.....dang it....
(https://stored-edge.slickpic.com/MTI0NjA2YjQxMDA3NzA,/20190216/MTU4Mjk2NDc0MDAx/p/1600/bsp_spawn_a.jpg)
(https://stored-edge.slickpic.com/MTI0NjA2YjQxMDA3NzA,/20190216/MTU4Mjk2NDg3Nzcw/p/1600/bsp_spawn.jpg)
That's a good size spawn. Are they both BSP parents? Goodluck with them!
Quote from: Babers on February 17, 2019, 02:37:21 AM
That's a good size spawn. Are they both BSP parents? Goodluck with them!
Thanks Joel, ...no..only one is a bsp...d/g pb/pb bg/bg....the other is g/+ pb/pb bg/+......
You got a picture of the other parent (g/+ pb/pb bg/+)?
Quote from: Babers on February 17, 2019, 03:37:29 AM
You got a picture of the other parent (g/+ pb/pb bg/+)?
....I'll find one....but it's white with inverted striping...
Okay...now I know exactly which one you're talking about. |^| Thanks.
..all went white....not fertilized... :'(
Quote from: Mugwump on February 18, 2019, 06:39:28 AM
..all went white....not fertilized... :'(
Sorry about that Jon. Hopefully next time.
Wow. I am going to go sit in the corner and hang my head in shame. I have never had a spawn that large from my BSPs. I have a Blue Silver Het with a BSP that spawn fairly regularly. I just moved their latest spawn from a 10 to a 29 and there were 36 of them. That is with a 90% hatch out rate. I think that is the biggest spawn they have had. I have a tank full of some about a month or two older than the ones you have and none of them have shown any inclination to spawn.
That pair should give me g/g,pb/pb,bg/+ Platinums and g/g,pb/pb,bg/bg Platinums (which need a new name I think). I am beginning to believe that the ones with reversed stripes are the double dose ones, but they seem so reluctant to spawn that I don't see any test crosses coming in the near future.
Sure would have been nice if those had made it,
Quote from: waterboy on February 18, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
Wow. I am going to go sit in the corner and hang my head in shame. I have never had a spawn that large from my BSPs. I have a Blue Silver Het with a BSP that spawn fairly regularly. I just moved their latest spawn from a 10 to a 29 and there were 36 of them. That is with a 90% hatch out rate. I think that is the biggest spawn they have had. I have a tank full of some about a month or two older than the ones you have and none of them have shown any inclination to spawn.
That pair should give me g/g,pb/pb,bg/+ Platinums and g/g,pb/pb,bg/bg Platinums (which need a new name I think). I am beginning to believe that the ones with reversed stripes are the double dose ones, but they seem so reluctant to spawn that I don't see any test crosses coming in the near future.
Sure would have been nice if those had made it,
....hopefully if this is a pair I'll get another spawn...... huh
I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Would love to see a batch like that hatch and grow out.
Quote from: waterboy on February 18, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Would love to see a batch like that hatch and grow out.
...me too.... ;).....I'll pull the next one for sure....
The ones that have a reverse bar (the platinum-looking Angels) are pb/pb - bg/bg (...May or May not have g)...this is according to Raiko. What I'm wondering is the "+/g" part in your genes for this angelfish. Being +/g is recessive. Maybe Dale can answer it....Are the parents of Jon's fish a BSP and a blue platinum (...or any angel that has g/g)?How can you tell that it has a single g?
Initially I was thinking g/g pb/pb +/bg when I first saw the angels with reverse stripes...was calling them platinums....I guess they're not. That's why I was thinking (same as Dale) that it needs a name also.
But then....there's 2 different angels I'm seeing that has a reverse stripes...one with a slight darker fins and another that is pure white...
So my theory is....
pb/pb - bg/bg (May or May not have single or double g) is the one with a darker fin (needs a name)
g/g - pb/pb - +/bg is the one that is all white (this one I can call Platinum)
huh huh huh
Quote from: Babers on February 18, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
The ones that have a reverse bar (the platinum-looking Angels) are pb/pb - bg/bg (...May or May not have g)...this is according to Raiko. What I'm wondering is the "+/g" part in your genes for this angelfish. Being +/g is recessive. Maybe Dale can answer it....Are the parents of Jon's fish a BSP and a blue platinum (...or any angel that has g/g)?How can you tell that it has a single g?
Initially I was thinking g/g pb/pb +/bg when I first saw the angels with reverse stripes...was calling them platinums....I guess they're not. That's why I was thinking (same as Dale) that it needs a name also.
But then....there's 2 different angels I'm seeing that has a reverse stripes...one with a slight darker fins and another that is pure white...
So my theory is....
pb/pb - bg/bg (May or May not have single or double g) is the one with a darker fin (needs a name)
g/g - pb/pb - +/bg is the one that is all white (this one I can call Platinum)
huh huh huh
....so if I'm following right ?...the bg/bg mimics albino aka reverse striping.... huh
The parents of those Jon has were BSP (D/g,pb/pb,bg/bg)and a Pinoy lace (D/g,pb/pb,bg/+) so the reverse stripes almost certainly have at least one gold gene. I can tell that the Pinoy has a gold gene because I got Platinums in the spawns and Platinums are g/g,pb/pb. Not sure if the bg changes that or not. I am tentatively calling the ones with reversed stripes 'Bulgarian Platinums' for lack of a better name.
I also have a BSP (D/g,pb/pb,bg/bg) and a Blue Silver (+/g,pb/pb,bg/+) pair that also produce some regular (all white) Platinums and some Reverse Stripe Platinums. Maybe we shouldn't be calling them Platinums at all because 'Platinum' implies two gold genes(g/g).
Quote from: Mugwump on February 18, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
....so if I'm following right ?...the bg/bg mimics albino aka reverse striping.... huh
It changes the color....not necessarily just reverse striping....thinking depending on other genes the fish have or does not have.
Examples of what I'm talking about in these pictures. Both are BSP's. One you can see the bars but lighter. The other one has reverse bars as you termed it.
Quote from: waterboy on February 18, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
The parents of those Jon has were BSP (D/g,pb/pb,bg/bg)and a Pinoy lace (D/g,pb/pb,bg/+) so the reverse stripes almost certainly have at least one gold gene.
Not necessarily. 25% of the fry will not have a gold gene, 50% will be carriers (+/g), and 25% will be g/g.
Quote from: Mugwump on February 18, 2019, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: waterboy on February 18, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Would love to see a batch like that hatch and grow out.
...me too.... ;).....I'll pull the next one for sure....
Crossing my fingers for you too Jon