Hi guys, I'm Pat and am mostly a discus keeper. But I do have a young group of wild altums. This is my current batch of young Atabapo Altums. They are about five months old (rough guess).
..beautiful Altums.....sweeeeeeeet.....and I like your music ...a bunch of old rockers here too... |^|
I've been looking at mike Troxell's F1's for a bit....I'm grab some.??...right now I have some Sta Isabel/Rio Negro ctoses and a few Mancapuru.....Altums would about complete what I like......
thanks for the vid
Jon,
Mike had a spawn just hatch today. He is letting the parents raise this batch. He is as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. He is a great guy and trying to raise perfect fry. He is getting close to have growouts he is happy with. Do you have redbacks?
Pat
Quote from: Second Hand Pat on November 13, 2015, 06:55:24 PM
Jon,
Mike had a spawn just hatch today. He is letting the parents raise this batch. He is as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. He is a great guy and trying to raise perfect fry. He is getting close to have growouts he is happy with. Do you have redbacks?
Pat
I know....his last batch, he had some in the TAS auction, and he's had some on Aquabid too..
Yes, I have a Manacapuru few left, but I lost my F1 pair a couple months back...they were about 5-6 years old...
I would love to have some, but our water wouldn't suit them. Yours are so pretty.
Barb
those are gorgeous Altums Pat.Altums are one of my favorites and i would love to have some.i just can't afford them.i need to find someone to buy all of my guns and custom made knives so i can get some.
Quote from: Barb on November 13, 2015, 08:35:57 PM
I would love to have some, but our water wouldn't suit them. Yours are so pretty.
Barb
Thanks Barb, I would consider these guys special needs fish which is mainly dealing with their water prep. I use RO water and add RO Right targeting a TDS of 100 and add additional minerals with Discus Essentials. Basically I aiming for acidic water with lots of minerals to support fin growth. The ph in their tank is 5.5.
Pat
Quote from: John Patakos on November 14, 2015, 08:42:57 AM
those are gorgeous Altums Pat.Altums are one of my favorites and i would love to have some.i just can't afford them.i need to find someone to buy all of my guns and custom made knives so i can get some.
Thanks John, you can afford them if you are willing to get them really small. I got these at dime sized end of July this year. They cost $15 each plus shipping. I get mine from John (snookn21) in Florida. This is how tiny they are.
The tannins in the water is rooibos tea which I use to support the altums after shipping and help them acclimate. The tea adds all sort of good things to the water and is a cheap way to get that bio-tope look.
Pat
Don't know what rooibos is. Can I use Lipton? ;D
Quote from: sschind on November 14, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Don't know what rooibos is. Can I use Lipton? ;D
https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/beverage/health-benefits-of-red-rooibos-tea.html (https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/beverage/health-benefits-of-red-rooibos-tea.html)
Quote from: sschind on November 14, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Don't know what rooibos is. Can I use Lipton? ;D
Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic (http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic).
Pat
Quote from: Second Hand Pat on November 14, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: sschind on November 14, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Don't know what rooibos is. Can I use Lipton? ;D
Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic (http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic).
Pat
....and it cures almost anything too.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Mugwump on November 14, 2015, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Second Hand Pat on November 14, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: sschind on November 14, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Don't know what rooibos is. Can I use Lipton? ;D
Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic (http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic).
Pat
....and it cures almost anything too.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
and delicious to drink :)
They are beautiful, Pat. Look at that strong finnage and the body shape. Good fish. Why would plain old peat moss not work for lowering the pH?
Thanks Liz, no need to mess with peat. The tank's ph is 5.5. Look at my post to Barb (reply 6) and you will see how I prep the water for their water changes. :)
Pat
Hummm, The pH of my ro is 6.. I guess how low you can get it depends on what minerals are in your tap water. I don't know. I love water chemistry but I only know the basics of it. Water is so much more complex that people imagine.
Indeed it so Liz but not using any tap in the water for the altums. Using RO water, RO Right and Discus Essentials only. :)
Pat
If my RO is pH 6 I would have to use something like peat to lower it, right?
Quote from: LizStreithorst on November 15, 2015, 07:54:36 PM
If my RO is pH 6 I would have to use something like peat to lower it, right?
Liz, I do a 50% water change every other day. This allow the ph to drop naturally.
Pat
A video from last night. Measured a couple of these guys (with ruler) and they range to just under two to just over two inches SL. I understand this is good growth for their age at 5.5 months.
Nice....that's about pre-breeder size now....they should start to blossom a bit over the next 4-5 months....some of my Sta Isabel/Rio Negro crosses got huge....others pretty large too...I think Pauline has one of the 'big' boys too....not sure if Larry has any tho....
Pat they look wonderful. ...everything about them. I could spend a lot of time just observing and admiring them. Are these your first Altum?
Pat?..are those some of Troxell's F1's ?
Quote from: Mugwump on November 23, 2015, 07:01:06 AM
Nice....that's about pre-breeder size now....they should start to blossom a bit over the next 4-5 months....some of my Sta Isabel/Rio Negro crosses got huge....others pretty large too...I think Pauline has one of the 'big' boys too....not sure if Larry has any tho....
Jon, these guys take two to three years to mature and if raised well are as big as discus. Hope to get them to three or better inches at a year.
Pat
Quote from: PaulineMi on November 23, 2015, 07:01:40 AM
Pat they look wonderful. ...everything about them. I could spend a lot of time just observing and admiring them. Are these your first Altum?
Second batch Pauline. I did very well starting with my first batch (at least good for a altum newbie) but the first batch stressed over Christmas company and went into hiding for three months which put the group into a serious state of decline. I have a few left but they look awful. :(
Quote from: Mugwump on November 23, 2015, 07:03:14 AM
Pat?..are those some of Troxell's F1's ?
These are wild caught Jon from John (snookn21) here in Florida. Mike has be helping me with this batch.
Pat
Quote from: Second Hand Pat on November 23, 2015, 07:06:09 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on November 23, 2015, 07:01:06 AM
Nice....that's about pre-breeder size now....they should start to blossom a bit over the next 4-5 months....some of my Sta Isabel/Rio Negro crosses got huge....others pretty large too...I think Pauline has one of the 'big' boys too....not sure if Larry has any tho....
Jon, these guys take two to three years to mature and if raised well are as big as discus. Hope to get them to three or better inches at a year.
Pat
You're correct.....but at a about a year they start to blossom in looks.....my F1 Mana's took 2 years+ to even look like the wanted to pair off and spawn...lots of early activity, but mostly just the youthful sparring.....enjoy the ride |^|
Quote from: Second Hand Pat on November 23, 2015, 07:09:54 AM
Quote from: PaulineMi on November 23, 2015, 07:01:40 AM
Pat they look wonderful. ...everything about them. I could spend a lot of time just observing and admiring them. Are these your first Altum?
Second batch Pauline. I did very well starting with my first batch (at least good for a altum newbie) but the first batch stressed over Christmas company and went into hiding for three months which put the group into a serious state of decline. I have a few left but they look awful. :(
I've covered a few tanks when we have a large family gathering ....it helps a lot...I learned my lesson on a similar happening...they spooked a couple pairs that I really wanted their spawns....they went nuts and ate the eggs.....but that's a rarity here now...all the fish are well socialized...wilds tho are a different story most times tho.....sorry to hear that about yours....
Quote from: Mugwump on November 23, 2015, 07:16:48 AM
I've covered a few tanks when we have a large family gathering ....it helps a lot...I learned my lesson on a similar happening...they spooked a couple pairs that I really wanted their spawns....they went nuts and ate the eggs.....but that's a rarity here now...all the fish are well socialized...wilds tho are a different story most times tho.....sorry to hear that about yours....
Thanks Jon, I am leaving this batch in my little fishroom for now. It is away from all the household activity but the largest tank in that room is only a 75. Later I will relocate my 90 to a less busy spot and move them into that tank.
These guys are putting on some fin.
..cool...yes, some nice finage coming on......I was looking at those nice sweet long ventrals.. |^|
Quote from: Mugwump on December 02, 2015, 08:11:00 AM
..cool...yes, some nice finage coming on......I was looking at those nice sweet long ventrals.. |^|
A short time after I got them Jon they were losing the tips of those ventrals. That lead me to adding more minerals to the water...no more fin lost. ;D
Pat
They are really looking great. |^| |^| |^|
Quote from: wsantia1 on December 02, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
They are really looking great. |^| |^| |^|
Thanks Willie ;D
Pat
Really nice looking angels!
Beautiful Angelfish Pat. Looks as though you are keeping them very happy.
Dennis
Quote from: Ron Sower on December 02, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Really nice looking angels!
Thanks Ron ;D
Quote from: BallAquatics on December 02, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
Beautiful Angelfish Pat. Looks as though you are keeping them very happy.
Dennis
Thanks Dennis 8) they seem to be ;D
...very, very nice...........good job, Pat ;D
Thank Jon 8)
Wow, what beauties Pat! How old are they now?
Barb
Thanks Barb, about six months old best guess.
Pat
for the past 40+ years Altums have been one of my favorites..unfortunately i just can't afford them.
those are gorgeous Pat...thanks for sharing.
Thanks John, I bought these at dime sized for $15 a piece. Very affordable if you do not mind growing them out.
Pat
In case there is any interest Mike T. is offered his F1 altum angels for sale on Simply http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?122810-Troxell-F1-Altum-Angelfish