Jon Miller
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November 20 at 6:34pm ?
Any chance the HOT mags 250 make a comeback...I see you've discontinued them.....why?
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Marineland
Marineland Hi, Jon. All I can say at this time is keep watching our Facebook page in January?
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Jon Miller
Jon Miller That's encouraging....thanks for the reply..
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Jon Miller
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I heard back form them and forgot to post until now. This is what I wrote them:
I was devastated when I found out that you discontinued the Magnum 250's. I and others depend on these. I have 10 working 24/7 in my fish room. I found some commercial ones in a plain brown box on ebay that had a GFI on the power cord and bought 4 because I don't want to be stuck without Magnum 250's in reserve. Why did you decide to discontinue them when so many people depend on them almost as much as I do? Liz
This is what the lady replied:
Good Morning Liz,
Thanks for your inquiry. I could not say why the Magnum 250 filter was discontinued, though I know the announcement did disappoint a lot of people. Of course we have several other filtration options, be they canister filters, or the Penguin or Emperor Bio-Wheel filters. It looks like our product team is developing a replacement for the H.O.T. magnum filter, but unfortunately, we don?t have any information about the anticipated release date. If you have additional questions, feel free to reply to this email, or to call us at 1-800-526-0650. We are available M-F 8:00am ? 5:30pm EST. Thanks for your time. Have a wonderful day!
I guess that Mug is correct. They are working on something that we don't like as much and costs us more. I'm glad I bought those 4 commercial ones.
Well at least both replies were similar..... |^|
Quote from: LizStreithorst on November 28, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
or the Penguin or Emperor Bio-Wheel filters.
Penguin or Emperor Bio-Wheel filters? Are they serious. I have to sift through my email to find out my response.
Just curious, What is so special about these hot magnums?
They keep the water crystal clear. The only thing better at mechanical filtration are diatom filters.
Sounds good.
I had a magnum 350,a gift from a sales rep when i worked at a shop.
It worked great but was a giant PITA to clean,and also the chance of leaking,had to buy a new gasket for mine at some point.
Other then the micro cartridge i see no advantage in them,and would never buy any type on canister filter.
Everyone says the 350's are a huge pain.
Hope you don't mind a plug Jon. Bruce at Broad street pets in lake Geneva has 1 hot magnum in stock and says he can get more.
Quote from: sschind on November 28, 2015, 07:52:35 PM
Hope you don't mind a plug Jon. Bruce at Broad street pets in lake Geneva has 1 hot magnum in stock and says he can get more.
....that's good to know..thanks Steve....but I'd be leery of his saying that he can get more....even Ebay/Amazon/etc are out...
This is the dumb reply they sent me:
Willie,
Thank you for your email and we are extremely sorry to hear this. However, I am in the same boat, as I have a HOT Magnum on my 20 gallon cichlid tank here at the office. Replacement parts are available for the unit.
Thank you,
huh What kind of response is that? Are they f&%$*#g kidding me? I did ask about the replacement parts because they took the page down. I see it is back up . huh huh huh
Quote from: wsantia1 on December 01, 2015, 11:07:38 AM
This is the dumb reply they sent me:
Willie,
Thank you for your email and we are extremely sorry to hear this. However, I am in the same boat, as I have a HOT Magnum on my 20 gallon cichlid tank here at the office. Replacement parts are available for the unit.
Thank you,
huh What kind of response is that? Are they f&%$*#g kidding me? I did ask about the replacement parts because they took the page down. I see it is back up . huh huh huh
LOLOLOL......a sympathy letter rely.....
If someone had a hot magnum and they were a mechanic or something and could take something apart and put it back together again. Couldn't that person just replicate the filter?
Quote from: big b on December 01, 2015, 04:08:16 PM
If someone had a hot magnum and they were a mechanic or something and could take something apart and put it back together again. Couldn't that person just replicate the filter?
The plastic shell/housing is molded/formed.....so not likely....even if they could, the misc pieces would be a nightmare to duplicate....
https://www.marineandreef.com/v/vspfiles/pdf/hotmag_manual.pdf (https://www.marineandreef.com/v/vspfiles/pdf/hotmag_manual.pdf)
https://youtu.be/dnIVrLqrEI8
Dennis
...nice....but all that equipment and cost for a $60 HOT Mag... huh.....
Quote from: Mugwump on December 02, 2015, 06:08:27 AM
...nice....but all that equipment and cost for a $60 HOT Mag... huh.....
... or ANYTHING else your heart desired LOL
Dennis
Quote from: BallAquatics on December 02, 2015, 06:10:39 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on December 02, 2015, 06:08:27 AM
...nice....but all that equipment and cost for a $60 HOT Mag... huh.....
... or ANYTHING else your heart desired LOL
Dennis
True....if you wanted to tinker around... |^|....what would you make??
Quote from: Mugwump on December 02, 2015, 06:20:13 AM
True....if you wanted to tinker around... |^|....what would you make??
Oh, I wouldn't know where to start.....
- Custom housings for DIY LED tank lights
- Fittings, bulkheads, etc
- Specimen containers for holding fish before bagging
- Tigh sealing fish food containers of just the right size
Dennis
....one piece hinged insulated box inserts for shipping...
...a custom 'Lazy Susan' for our dining table..
...a 'green house' for Jan..
...a multi tank stand each for 20's and 30's and 10's....
...tank top covers.....
Our granddaughter is taking pre-engineering courses in high school right now and she's made some very nice things this way. This reminds me of CNC machines I used to see in machine shops when I was selling to them.
I have a 3D printer and have made a few pipe fittings (non-threaded).
There are some caveats when dealing with stuff in contact with fish water:
1) some of the plastics (PLA) are made to be biogradable. Not good for in contact with fish water long term.
2) Some 3D printed plastics have recently been shown to be toxic to baby (larval) zebrafish.
The abstract is here: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.5b00249 (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.5b00249)
However that is two out of more than 100 kinds of 3D plastic available for printing. Since I do not yet have access to the full article, I can't tell what king of plastic they were testing. Since I occasionally sell things to the Zebrafish Stock Center and we were thinking about some 3D printed parts, I gave them some samples to do their own tests on (put baby fish in a small volume of water with the plastic parts for several days). My first choice for a plastic is ABS which is not the easiest to print but is in other ways a very good plastic. It is the same plastic as used in black drainage pipe in the US (it is used for supply piping in the UK). It is supposed to have fewer problems releasing unreacted chemicals left over from it manufacturing than PVC.
There are also some new plastics for 3D printing that made to be food grade plastics suitable for use with human food.
Just for fun, I have used NASA's new transporter system.
I intercepted a wrench be teleported to the space station (downloaded the 3D print file from a NASA site; http://nasa3d.arc.nasa.gov/detail/wrench-mis (http://nasa3d.arc.nasa.gov/detail/wrench-mis)) and printed it out.
It made a ~4 inch long ratcheting socket wrench handle with 3 interlocking parts all printed together.
...how do you make the wrench work exactly....??....
Put a socket on it.
There should be a file for that but I have not yet found it.
Quote from: BillT on December 03, 2015, 02:43:15 PM
Put a socket on it.
There should be a file for that but I have not yet found it.
LOL....I was just wondering how the 3D printer made it? this explains it.....
His experience was a lot like mine. Had to unstick it. This can probably be fixed in the details of programming that goes between the 3D file and making the program that drives the printer.
I just like the idea that it is a lot like a transporter or a Replicator in Star Trek. Get a file. Make a copy.
Quote from: BillT on December 03, 2015, 05:05:25 PM
I just like the idea that it is a lot like a transporter or a Replicator in Star Trek. Get a file. Make a copy.
..it is isn't it... |^| the printers themselves are pricey......but how about access, and the cost, of adequate materials?
Quoteprinters themselves are pricey......but how about access, and the cost, of adequate materials?
The printer prices vary quite a bit (hundreds to hundreds of thousands of dollars). That's the most complex part of it. There are many different ways to 3D print, but the kind that work like a well controlled hot glue gun are the cheapest and the ones most often used by hobbyists. I have one of those. There are some cheap ones that use liquids that are made solid but lasers or another source of light, but they would have a bunch of excess liquid which I would think you would have to get rid of (possibly toxic waste disposal issue). I have also sent a few things off (via web) to a commercial printing place and got parts back in a few days. They can print in a greater variety of plastics as well as metals and other materials.
You can order them online so you can get a lot of different kinds that way. I got mine through a local electronics supply shop. The owner is really into 3D printers and i got one through him which was the same price as online plus I could easily bug him about any problems that might arise (none did).
The plastic for printing can also be ordered on line. there is now a huge number of different plastic and manufacturers are now making plastics specifically for 3D printers which is a great improvement. There are a variety of flexible plastics available now.
Not all printers can get hot enough to melt all the different plastic materials, but with the new materials they are now making it is becoming less of an issue because many of the newer plastics are made to melt at the lower temperatures.
To get something to print you either make your own model with some 3D modeling software or download a model form one of many different sites (some free, some not).
This website (http://www.fabbaloo.com/ (http://www.fabbaloo.com/)) has buyer guides for printers, materials, 3D models to download and programs for 3D modeling (some are free). The buyer guides are not complete, but they are pretty good.
I also got a bunch of things to go with the printer:
? Small tools for taking it apart and putting it back together are handy (for clearing jams).
? Solvents for clearing clogged nozzles
? Materials for getting the print to stick well to the build plate (certain tapes or hair spray, but some now come with special materials for their build plate which stick to the plastic well).
? Its probably a good idea to have a well ventilated room to do the printing in.
? An InfraRed thermometer can be handy.
Thanks....good info there....I'll go exploring |^|
Quote from: Mugwump on November 28, 2015, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: sschind on November 28, 2015, 07:52:35 PM
Hope you don't mind a plug Jon. Bruce at Broad street pets in lake Geneva has 1 hot magnum in stock and says he can get more.
....that's good to know..thanks Steve....but I'd be leery of his saying that he can get more....even Ebay/Amazon/etc are out...
He has a customer, actually it was a customer of Ken's, who got a bunch a while back from where he worked. I don't know how many he has but I wouldn't be surprised if he ha some. I'm not sure of the details but I know he had lots of filters. There is a company in Lake Geneva that deals with making all the signs for Petco and I think they print a lot of the boxes for many manufacturers. I think they did repackaging when companies changed boxes and stuff like that. Every so often they would simply clean house and throw tons of filters in the dumpster. This guy would bring us new Aquaclear filters in old packaging or new filters with no packaging. Filters in the wrong packaging We would get filters with no motors or canister filters with no hoses or impellers. Everything was brand new sometimes it just wasn't complete. Lots of times it was though.
I would be very very surprised if Marineland didn't come up with something to replace the HOT magnum however. I don't think there is anything on the market like it is there. Its a great filter.