By Microsoft?s own admission, Windows 10 is like no other operating system it has ever created. It exists across multiple platforms from desktops to tablets to Windows phones; as do the apps designed for the new OS. It?s self-updating and self-healing in ways mostly invisible to users. That has lead Microsoft to coin a new term when describing Windows 10: Windows as a service.
In fact, Microsoft says Windows 10 is the last OS it will ever create. That doesn?t mean Microsoft is leaving the OS market. Instead the company plans to release significant upgrades and patches to Windows 10 in such a way that everyone from enterprise IT administrators to home users will no longer need to go through the process of rolling out a new OS. Windows 10 will simply evolve and change over time, possibly significantly, without end users having to do anything.
Here's the link to the complete PDF.....
https://download.1105media.com/pub/mcp/Files/Flexera_GameChanger.pdf (https://download.1105media.com/pub/mcp/Files/Flexera_GameChanger.pdf)
Dennis
I really haven't had any problems with Win 10 at all.....it takes a bit to first find everything in the 'settings' but even tho worded, and presented differently, all are functional....
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 21, 2016, 05:06:46 AM
That has lead Microsoft to coin a new term when describing Windows 10: Windows as a service.
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 21, 2016, 05:06:46 AM
That has lead Microsoft to coin a new term when describing Windows 10: Windows as a service.
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
I really doubt that they could get away with that....... huh....but...??????
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
That would be my guess. You know they had something up their sleeve when they offered free upgrades to Windows 10.....
Dennis
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 21, 2016, 07:24:05 AM
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
That would be my guess. You know they had something up their sleeve when they offered free upgrades to Windows 10.....
Dennis
I'm thinking why try to get you to upgrade and then have to support all those different versions of Windows when they can provide "updates" to Windows 10 when you pay for the service. That's what the anti-virus folks do.
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:29:07 AM
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 21, 2016, 07:24:05 AM
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
That would be my guess. You know they had something up their sleeve when they offered free upgrades to Windows 10.....
Dennis
I'm thinking why try to get you to upgrade and then have to support all those different versions of Windows when they can provide "updates" to Windows 10 when you pay for the service. That's what the anti-virus folks do.
I will not pay for Windows....period.....say 'hello' Linux.. ;D
Quote from: Mugwump on February 21, 2016, 08:07:35 AM
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:29:07 AM
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 21, 2016, 07:24:05 AM
Quote from: wsantia1 on February 21, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
Hmmm. Windows as a service. I wonder if down the road that will equate to yearly service fees. ???
That would be my guess. You know they had something up their sleeve when they offered free upgrades to Windows 10.....
Dennis
I'm thinking why try to get you to upgrade and then have to support all those different versions of Windows when they can provide "updates" to Windows 10 when you pay for the service. That's what the anti-virus folks do.
I will not pay for Windows....period.....say 'hello' Linux.. ;D
+1
This sounds kind of like the way Apple does its operating system. They did a big change to OSX (operating system 10) many years ago (2001?). After that they have done lots of small upgrades (for free as I recall) and some big upgrades (10.11.3) that may or may not cost money.
One thing the upgrades do for the companies is they keep more computers current and provide a more unified set of users to provide support to.
Is it OK if I just keep my Windows 8.1? My life is in such turmoil, I dread anything new that will further complicate things for me.
Barb
10 is so similar to 8.1 that even I didn't have a problem when I switched, but keep it until they don't support it anymore if you like. Dennis says that MS copied windows 10 from the Linux OS, so I expect adjusting to Linux won't be that difficult. But if MS makes me pay, I'm gone.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on February 21, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
Dennis says that MS copied windows 10 from the Linux OS, so I expect adjusting to Linux won't be that difficult.
Some how, we must have gotten our wires crossed on that one!
Dennis
Sorry :-[
No need to be sorry Liz. I was probably off running amuck in geekdom and didn't fully explain myself. ??? ??? ???
Dennis
Quote from: BallAquatics on February 23, 2016, 11:03:02 AM
No need to be sorry Liz. I was probably off running amuck in geekdom and didn't fully explain myself. ??? ??? ???
Dennis
WHOA !!!!!..."geekdom"...... 8).....
It is starting to seem like every time there is an update, Windows 10 deletes something without my knowledge or permission. This is very annoying to me because I usually end up reinstalling the deleted item (s) and it works fine afterward.
I understand that in the EULA we agreed to when we installed Windows 10 they stated they have a right to delete items which are deemed to be incompatible with Window 10. huh
I haven't experienced, or noticed?. this yet....what have they been deleting?...
Quote from: Mugwump on March 05, 2016, 07:27:29 AM
I haven't experienced, or noticed?. this yet....what have they been deleting?...
Mostly my utility apps. Most recently a program called AI Suite 2. This is a utility program that is on my homemade computer that came with my motherboard.
It is used for overclocking and controlling how your motherboard works. I don't use it much anymore but since they deleted it I get error messages on bootup telling me that it's missing from the path. I will fix it when I get a chance but it is a PITA to have to mess around with something that was not causing a problem.
I see the motherboard manufacturer has a Windows 10 version of the utility but I am not sure it covers my motherboard. It also deletes Malwarebytes every now and then. I like Malwarebytes because it picks up things that Windows Defender doesn't.
Quote from: Barb on February 21, 2016, 02:52:43 PM
Is it OK if I just keep my Windows 8.1? My life is in such turmoil, I dread anything new that will further complicate things for me.
Barb
my thoughts perzackly...
So the missing programs continue. This time open office is missing as well as some of my photo editing software. I read that the EULA for windows 10 states that it will do that if the program is incompatible. I say this is bullshit. F&#K Microsoft and Windows 10. I will now look for something else as soon as I can backup the working programs that I have left. >:( >:( >:(
I deleted and reloaded Open Office...they have a Win10 now.....lots of the little apps have one now too, if you can find em and reinstall.....it's getting better now....a bit anyway....LOL
I am not going to let MS dictate to me what I can and can't have on my PC. It deleted a video program and some very special videos that I created and edited. I think that I have backups and if not my daughter has the copies I made for her but in the end this was totally uncalled for b.s. >:( >:( >:(
I am in the process of copying all of the data files over to a usb drive and when I am finished I will either reinstall Windows 8.1 or install Linux. I am sure that there will be something that will be lost forever. >:( >:( >:(.
Quote from: wsantia1 on April 29, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
I am not going to let MS dictate to me what I can and can't have on my PC. It deleted a video program and some very special videos that I created and edited. I think that I have backups and if not my daughter has the copies I made for her but in the end this was totally uncalled for b.s. >:( >:( >:(
I am in the process of copying all of the data files over to a usb drive and when I am finished I will either reinstall Windows 8.1 or install Linux. I am sure that there will be something that will be lost forever. >:( >:( >:(.
...Whoa.....it's got your dander up, huh?......well now might be the time to go with cinnamon then....
I'm looking through the app listing drop down list in W10 and while the missing programs are listed when I select them my computer gives me an error message that it "can't find the program at that location". That's because they are no longer on the computer. huh
I will check and make a list of the programs that are listed in the app section and are now missing.
If I want or need them I will reinstall them. There will probably be a Windows 10 upgrade to some of them. -::)
If I can't get these random deletions to stop I have a Linux distro already downloaded and ready to load. |^|
I will probably start that process tomorrow. wfwf wfwf wfwf
I have a brand new HD sitting here that I may load as a slave...then load Linux/Cinnamon......dual boot is an option too.... |^|
I've been playing with Ubuntu MATE 16.04 Just released this month and as an LTS release it will be supported through 2021. Ubuntu is probably the easiest Linux to get started with and when you are comfortable with it you can easily move up to Debian, the base that Ubuntu is built on.
Dennis
Quote from: BallAquatics on April 30, 2016, 06:40:00 AM
I've been playing with Ubuntu MATE 16.04 Just released this month and as an LTS release it will be supported through 2021. Ubuntu is probably the easiest Linux to get started with and when you are comfortable with it you can easily move up to Debian, the base that Ubuntu is built on.
Dennis
Thanks Dennis. Ubuntu is what I downloaded. I still have to check to make sure I back up everything that I need before I wipe Windows 10 off of my main machine.
Quote from: wsantia1 on April 30, 2016, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: BallAquatics on April 30, 2016, 06:40:00 AM
I've been playing with Ubuntu MATE 16.04 Just released this month and as an LTS release it will be supported through 2021. Ubuntu is probably the easiest Linux to get started with and when you are comfortable with it you can easily move up to Debian, the base that Ubuntu is built on.
Dennis
Thanks Dennis. Ubuntu is what I downloaded. I still have to check to make sure I back up everything that I need before I wipe Windows 10 off of my main machine.
HD's are cheap now days....you could grab grab one to load the Linux..... huh...
My pleasure Willie. Once you make the switch you'll be wondering why you waited so long LOL.
One of the nice things about Ubuntu, is the many different distributions and the different desktop options they present. Once you get the hang of things, you can install whatever desktop is to your liking, but when first starting out, it's nice to have it bundled right into the OS installation.
See What?s New in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Flavors...
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/see-whats-new-ubuntu-16-04-flavors-screenshot (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/see-whats-new-ubuntu-16-04-flavors-screenshot)
Dennis
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I have decided that I will set up Ubuntu as a duo boot to Windows 10. I have a separate drive (SSD) that I can dedicate to Ubuntu already on my computer. mim mim mim
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 06:07:49 PM
I have decided that I will set up Ubuntu as a duo boot to Windows 10. I have a separate drive (SSD) that I can dedicate to Ubuntu already on my computer. mim mim mim
...good plan, that's what I'll be doing also....whenever..........
found this...
""4. By pressing [F8]
Yes, we know we said this no longer works in Windows 10, but you can reactivate it. Here?s how.
Right-click the Start button and select Command Prompt (Admin) from the menu that appears (this isn?t the usual Start menu).
Click the Yes button if prompted to allow the app to make changes to your PC.
(http://home.bt.com/images/7-1-W10-restart-F8.jpg-136400062758202601)
Type ? or copy and paste ? the following into the Command Prompt window and press the [Return] key:
bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy
You should now be able to enter Safe Mode when restarting Windows 10 by pressing [F8].
(http://home.bt.com/images/7-2-W10-restart-F8.jpg-136400062758302601)
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/how-to-restart-windows-10-and-whatever-happened-to-safe-mode-11364000631724 (http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/how-to-restart-windows-10-and-whatever-happened-to-safe-mode-11364000631724)
What I actually did was set up Ubuntu all alone on it's own drive. My computer boots up to W10 by default. I can change the default in the bios when I want to use Ubuntu. The way I have it set up Ubuntu can see W10 but W10 can't see (and can't delete) the Ubuntu drive.
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
What I actually did was set up Ubuntu all alone on it's own drive. My computer boots up to W10 by default. I can change the default in the bios when I want to use Ubuntu. The way I have it set up Ubuntu can see W10 but W10 can't see (and can't delete) the Ubuntu drive.
...doesn't dual boot give you an option at start up??....how are you accessing the 'bios' menu in Win10..?
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
What I actually did was set up Ubuntu all alone on it's own drive.
That's the way I would recommend. Dual boot was just Okay 25 years ago when we didn't have the tech we have today.
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
.....but W10 can't see (and can't delete) the Ubuntu drive.
LOL Windoze isn't smart enough to read the Unix / Linux drives, where as.....
Dennis
Quote from: Mugwump on May 01, 2016, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
What I actually did was set up Ubuntu all alone on it's own drive. My computer boots up to W10 by default. I can change the default in the bios when I want to use Ubuntu. The way I have it set up Ubuntu can see W10 but W10 can't see (and can't delete) the Ubuntu drive.
...doesn't dual boot give you an option at start up??....how are you accessing the 'bios' menu in Win10..?
I just hit delete on bootup to access my bios. It's just two extra clicks on the mouse.
Quote from: BallAquatics on May 02, 2016, 04:48:00 AM
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
What I actually did was set up Ubuntu all alone on it's own drive.
That's the way I would recommend. Dual boot was just Okay 25 years ago when we didn't have the tech we have today.
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 01, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
.....but W10 can't see (and can't delete) the Ubuntu drive.
LOL Windoze isn't smart enough to read the Unix / Linux drives, where as.....
Dennis
So far so good. I'll play around with it some today. Maybe I will load some of that software that W10 deleted on me. Thanks Dennis.
I am now logged in with Firefox which is running on Linux Mint - Cinnamon flavored. I have it loaded along with Ubuntu on the same drive. They are a duo boot on this drive. The main drive still has Windows 10 on it.
Without me doing anything the computer will boot into W10. If I press delete while booting up it will take me into the bios screen where I can the select the drive that these desktops are on.
When I get comfortable with Linux, I can make the Linux drive the default boot drive in the bios if I choose to. I have a lot more control over my machine now. |^| |^| |^| |^| |^|
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 03, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
I am now logged in with Firefox which is running on Linux Mint - Cinnamon flavored. I have it loaded along with Ubuntu on the same drive. They are a duo boot on this drive. The main drive still has Windows 10 on it.
Without me doing anything the computer will boot into W10. If I press delete while booting up it will take me into the bios screen where I can the select the drive that these desktops are on.
When I get comfortable with Linux, I can make the Linux drive the default boot drive in the bios if I choose to. I have a lot more control over my machine now. |^| |^| |^| |^| |^|
+1..nice job.. |^|
Quote from: wsantia1 on May 03, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
I am now logged in with Firefox which is running on Linux Mint.....
Cool. Mint is another distribution based on Debian/Ubuntu so once you get used to how it works switching to either of the others is a snap.
Dennis
How is your Linux adventure coming along Willie???
(http://www.mugwump-fish-world.com/images/linux_girl.jpg)
Dennis
LOL......
Quote from: BallAquatics on May 21, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
How is your Linux adventure coming along Willie???
(http://www.mugwump-fish-world.com/images/linux_girl.jpg)
Dennis
It would be going great if I had her telling me she doesn't do Windows. lol Seriously though it's going fine. I haven't been in there in a week or so but then again I haven't been on the desktop that much except for the forum and some banking. I hope to free up some time this week to play. |^| |^| |^| |^| |^|