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THE POND-THE FRESHWATER PLACE => Tank Maintenance and Equipment => Topic started by: JC on November 18, 2014, 09:21:36 AM

Title: Thoughts
Post by: JC on November 18, 2014, 09:21:36 AM
What's your thoughts on this jehmco product to change water?

(http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx108/basementguppies/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg) (http://s746.photobucket.com/user/basementguppies/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on November 18, 2014, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: JC on November 18, 2014, 09:21:36 AM
What's your thoughts on this jehmco product to change water?

(http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx108/basementguppies/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg) (http://s746.photobucket.com/user/basementguppies/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg.html)

I think that's a rig for non-drilled system tanks????....
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on November 18, 2014, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on November 18, 2014, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: JC on November 18, 2014, 09:21:36 AM
What's your thoughts on this jehmco product to change water?

(http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx108/basementguppies/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg) (http://s746.photobucket.com/user/basementguppies/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/1DC32A13-0FEF-448C-86D4-9C1C6CFBEB33_zpslob9opmp.jpg.html)

I think that's a rig for non-drilled system tanks????....

Yes from what I understand it's for non drilled tanks. You put it in your tank and attach a hose to the barbed end and start the siphon with a little handheld bulb and the water stops draining when it gets to the end of the PVC which you can set to any height
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 09:59:26 AM
You can build a better one yourself. I like this one myself

http://dramaticaquascapes.com/PVC_Overflow_11.html
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on November 18, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
I use an old end to a python rig.....the 2-3 ft piece with the big tube and on/off switch....it's hose thread too.....I can use my little transfer pump, and hand held remote..moving from tank to tank....I can use some heavy duty hand clamps and secure it too....setting the desired depth to go down too.....
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 10:18:03 AM
Where is this on the Jehmco site? I thought it was for an overflow. My error. You can still build it better yourself. Plans abound on the interwebs.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on November 18, 2014, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 10:18:03 AM
Where is this on the Jehmco site? I thought it was for an overflow. My error. You can still build it better yourself. Plans abound on the interwebs.

It is.........he's looking to multi-task it... ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
How do you clean the bottom of the tank then?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on November 18, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
How do you clean the bottom of the tank then?

How do you clean them if they're drilled.....?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on November 18, 2014, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
How do you clean the bottom of the tank then?

I figured I could still use my gravel bac to suck up nasties on the bottom. That doesn't take but a minute anyways. My goal is to decrease the amount of time I'm spending doing water changes. I love keeping and breeding fish but I have a 3 and 5yr old I don't want to take time from. They always help me with water changes too haha
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: GraphicGr8s on November 18, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Generally I just use the gravel vac to siphon into my buckets from the start.
In the fish house I use a smallish diameter rigid connected to flex into the bucket to clean the bottom. Most of the tanks there are bare bottom. The ones that have gravel are planted so I don't vac them at all.
Part I hate about the inside house tanks is filling with a bucket.  At least the fish house has the well inside and I just use a hose to refill.

My changes are done after the 5 year old goes to sleep.

At my last house I had bought this green house 50' or so and hooked it to a filter under the sink. It was designed to water house plants so I just repurposed. Can't find it anywhere any more. Going to try to use drip hose. No not the hose with all the emitters.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 05, 2014, 01:58:22 PM
I ordered a couple of these just to see how they work and I love them!!  I emptied half of these sizes of tanks: 37,75,40B,and 60tall in 20 minutes!  Now I've been sitting here for 30min filling  :(. I have plans to plumb PVC from my stock tank to my tanks and control them with turn valves to fill multiple tanks at once. Anyone doing this at the moment?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on December 05, 2014, 02:28:46 PM
Quote from: JC on December 05, 2014, 01:58:22 PM
I ordered a couple of these just to see how they work and I love them!!  I emptied half of these sizes of tanks: 37,75,40B,and 60tall in 20 minutes!  Now I've been sitting here for 30min filling  :(. I have plans to plumb PVC from my stock tank to my tanks and control them with turn valves to fill multiple tanks at once. Anyone doing this at the moment?

It's under great consideration.... ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 05, 2014, 03:32:56 PM
Me. 
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 05, 2014, 09:40:26 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on December 05, 2014, 03:32:56 PM
Me.

You pump water from your water tank through PVC to your tanks and have control valves?? 
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 05, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
Yessir.  I've been doing it that way almost all my fish life.  I also use a pump for outgoing water.  An entire WC for around 1200 gallons of tanks takes about 35 minutes.  Doing the plumbing is fun to tell the truth.  I've done it with 3 different fish rooms and enjoyed it every time.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 05, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on December 05, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
Yessir.  I've been doing it that way almost all my fish life.  I also use a pump for outgoing water.  An entire WC for around 1200 gallons of tanks takes about 35 minutes.  Doing the plumbing is fun to tell the truth.  I've done it with 3 different fish rooms and enjoyed it every time.

Awesome. Would you be able to post a video of how you have it set up or maybe some pics to give me some ideas?  I was looking at a 2100gpm utility pump at menards to use to pump the water into my tanks
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: BallAquatics on December 05, 2014, 11:07:27 PM
WOW!  That's some pump.  You need about a 6 inch pipe to move 2100 gpm.   ;)

Dennis
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: GeorgeG on December 06, 2014, 07:01:07 AM
I do the same as Liz. I have 3-325 gallon storage tanks and they are connected with PVC.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 06, 2014, 08:21:43 AM
Quote from: BallAquatics on December 05, 2014, 11:07:27 PM
WOW!  That's some pump.  You need about a 6 inch pipe to move 2100 gpm.   ;)

Dennis

Whoops I meant 2100gph haha
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 06, 2014, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: GeorgeG on December 06, 2014, 07:01:07 AM
I do the same as Liz. I have 3-325 gallon storage tanks and they are connected with PVC.

Can you post a video or some pics to help give me ideas?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 06, 2014, 01:07:07 PM
I'll post some pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 06, 2014, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on December 06, 2014, 01:07:07 PM
I'll post some pics tomorrow.

Thank you
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 05:33:50 PM
Here are the pics.  Ask me if you have questions.  I said that I have 1200 of tank space, not that I change 1200 gallons of water at a time.  I mostly do WC every day and I change about 400 gallons at a time.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: Mugwump on December 07, 2014, 05:37:55 PM
How many gallons are those holding tanks??....How long to fill em up again???...
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 05:41:03 PM
Once upon a time I had one pump with valves that would let in aged tap, RO, and pump out waste water.  This time around I use a sump pump for RO or rain water, one pump for aged tap, and another pump for discharge.  I use the hose in this pic for pump the old water out side via the hole in the wall.  I always suck out my outgoing water with a hose because I don't consider it a water change unless I vacuum all the crap from the bottom of the tank.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: ilroost on December 07, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
Very nice set up you have there Liz
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 05:49:24 PM
1000 liters.  About 300 gallons.  They are hard plumbed with 1/2" PVC for incoming water from a faucet outside another wall that was modified.  The containers have float valves that cut off the water flow when the containers are full.  All I have to do is turn a valve.  Would you like pics?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: wsantia1 on December 07, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
That is a very nice setup Liz. ;D ;D ;D Maybe one day for me. 8)
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 06:15:43 PM
I could have made it better with a little more work and thought, but it works well enough for me. 
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 07, 2014, 07:06:47 PM
Thanks for the pics. That's how I was thinking of running my PVC. So when you are pumping water to your tanks you only have those valves open above the tanks you want to fill right?  What GPH pump are you using to fill your tanks?
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
That is correct.  The valves are all open except for the tanks that need RO.  I fill the tanks from the container that holds it with a hose and a sump pump.  I don't dare let my attention wander or I'll have a flood and GFI's tripping ;D 

I always buy my water moving pumps from AquaticEcoSystems.  These pumps aren't as cheap as a Wayne type pump, but they are close to soundless, have brushless motors and are built to last.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 07, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Are those pumps fully submersible
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
Quote from: JC on December 07, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Are those pumps fully submersible

Most certainly not!  You will absolute not get that kind of pumping power from any submersible pump that I know of.  Look at the pic.  They are hard plumbed in ::)
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 07, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Ah...ok
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: JC on December 07, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Ah...ok

Actually you might find a submersible that can pump the same GPM, but it won't last.  I bought these pumps because they won't fail me and leave me in the lurch. Being left high and dry by equipment is not my cup of tea.  I always try to buy to best because when I've done otherwise I always end up wasting money and buying the best anyway.  Good quality stuff costs more but it costs more because it's worth more.
Title: Re: Thoughts
Post by: JC on December 08, 2014, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on December 07, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: JC on December 07, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Ah...ok

Actually you might find a submersible that can pump the same GPM, but it won't last.  I bought these pumps because they won't fail me and leave me in the lurch. Being left high and dry by equipment is not my cup of tea.  I always try to buy to best because when I've done otherwise I always end up wasting money and buying the best anyway.  Good quality stuff costs more but it costs more because it's worth more.

I couldn't agree with you more. I've been down that road where the cheap stuff lets you down and you're in a bind