Ok I got 11 new adult angels today and the guy I got them from already had them in a bucket when I got there. Well anyways when I got home and put them in a tank one of them looks to have popeye. I called the guy and he said they looked good when he put them in. I have got fish several times from him before and they have always been great. So is this something that could happen in a bucket with 10 other angels or should I start treating him now?
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Do you have a picture of the angel in question. Sounds to me like it might have happened when he was netting them but a picture would make it easier to clarify.
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I would definitely get him out of that tank before the rest of them get it. It would be better to be safe then sorry. What I have done in the past is give the fish a salt bath 1 tsp per gallon. Then place in a hospital tank w/o a light. Clean water conditions will help a lot. Good food and I found medicated food can do wonders. I have had pop eye improve in a day. After a huge w/c change and then I fed medicated food and it just got better and better.
that poor angel. What medicated food would you give it?
Yes what kind of medicated food do you use? The only anti-bacterial food I have is some jungle crap and nothing will ever eat it
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We have not had that in some time and what ever we used was from a mom and pop's store in IOWA. I would check with one of the big box pet stores or local F/S and see what they recommend.
You don't have to actually feed it anything for a couple of days. Just make sure that you turn the heat up in your hospital tank and no light on it either.
Add pure garlic powder to the medicated food. Not garilc salt, pure garlic powder. It should help make them eat it.
Quote from: Rjb3 on October 21, 2012, 05:31:54 AM
Add pure garlic powder to the medicated food. Not garilc salt, pure garlic powder. It should help make them eat it.
yeppers, I've heard that it helps too....you can,also, try to dissolve the garlic in water and 'lightly' spray the food on a paper towel....let dry well and feed....
Thanks for the responses I'll give it a shot
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I know it (garlic) makes them want to eat it, but I've also heard garlic produces an environment inside your fish that parasites can't live in. No parasites here, so it must work.
So what temp should I leave him at? I have it set at 82.5 now. He still won't eat. I read that Epsom salt can help pull the fluid out has anyone had experience with this?
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I'd increase aeration......epsom salt may work, but mostly to clear the bowels, I believe...keep the bottom free of poo, if ya can....water changes,water changes,water changes, will help tremendously
You're doing what you can. When we're sick, we don't eat like we should either. Fingers crossed.
Net the fish out and put it in a tank by itself. Do daily large WCs with water that is of the same temp and parameters as the water in it's tank. You might want to give 1 tablespoon of epsom salts per 10 gallons for 1 day. It might help or might not. If it doesn't, I wouldn't continue with it.
This could be bacterial. If it is I would advise against raising the temp of the tank.
Have you sent these pics to the guy you bought the fish from? If not, you should.
sorry I didn't clarify this very well earlier but I did pull the fish out and put it in a 10 gallon tank by itself. and I just did a 50 percent water change in clean the bottom really well.
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What would cause popeye?
From what I understand it is a symptom not a disease itself so it could several different things including bacterial infection
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Well I thought he was getting better I did a water change when I got home and added a small amount of melafix and now he looks worse. He is getting a huge bump on his nose and what apears to be several small holes in one side if his head!:'((http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/24/raquhune.jpg)
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Does anyone have any ideas of what this is or how to treat it?
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Quote from: Jdmcfast on October 21, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
From what I understand it is a symptom not a disease itself so it could several different things including bacterial infection
Correct. Besides a bacterial infection, it can be caused by gas supersaturation (gas bubble disease) and brain tumors (pushing the eye out of its socket as the tumors growth takes up more space in the skull). These were diagnosed by fish vets in the lab.
Poor guys not looking very good. Hope he pulls through it.
Hole in the head is caused by an internal parasite called Heximita. It is treated with metronidazole at 400mg per 10 gallons for 10 days. Do a 90% WC daily and re dose. Hole in the head is hard to clear up. You may need to repeat the treatment several times.
My guess is that this fish had a heavy load of parasites which weakened it's immune system. Transporting the fish may have tipped it over the edge. The first symptom you saw was the pop eye, but it was just a result of the fish being in a weakened state. Then you saw the holes which are due to the parasite itself.
I think that treatment will cost more that the value of the fish and may not be successful. I'm not a fish doc. I'm sure that there are people here who know more than I. Hopefully, they'll have something to say.
What does the poo look like in the rest of the fish? At least in Discus, the first sympotm of Heximita is white poo.
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Hole in the head is caused by an internal parasite called Heximita. It is treated with metronidazole at 400mg per 10 gallons for 10 days. Do a 90% WC daily and re dose. Hole in the head is hard to clear up. You may need to repeat the treatment several times.
My guess is that this fish had a heavy load of parasites which weakened it's immune system. Transporting the fish may have tipped it over the edge. The first symptom you saw was the pop eye, but it was just a result of the fish being in a weakened state. Then you saw the holes which are due to the parasite itself.
I think that treatment will cost more that the value of the fish and may not be successful. I'm not a fish doc. I'm sure that there are people here who know more than I. Hopefully, they'll have something to say.
What does the poo look like in the rest of the fish? At least in Discus, the first sympotm of Heximita is white poo.
I was worried about that they did have some white poo for a while they seller said it may be because he fed them mysis shrimp. It has seemed to have cleared up but I'm watching close. I got recommended to treat with marycen 2 on TAF so I started a treatment of both marycen and marycen 2 last night. If it is bacterial that should help if not then it's either to late or parasitic:'(
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My wife just text me that he died!:'(
That really sucks I hope I'm getting to the rest of then soon enough!
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I'm sorry, Josh.
That's too bad...hopefully you can save the rest....
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My wife just text me that he died!:'(
That really sucks I hope I'm getting to the rest of then soon enough!
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Oh so sorry Josh!!!!
Thanks Me too! She was a beautiful fish.
Jo did you get my pm?
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Sorry Josh :(
Yes just responded! No worries.
a have not seem any sign of popeye, but I'm afraid I may have contaminated the tank next too it atleast. The only thing that I can figure out is if I unknowingly used the bucket that I brought fish home in to do water changes.:(
But I have lost 3 angels from this other tank in question and also yesterday I lost one of my big Koi out of the original tank.:'(
I have been dosing metro since sunday!
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That's too bad, Josh.....good luck....
WOW sorry to hear that. I know what that feels like. Around Christmas last year I got some fish from A guy and wanted them to pair off with some of my others and lost all of them to what ever they had. Hard lessons. I will never go with out some kind of QT again
It'll bite you for sure.....
I infected a fry tank with a tank of sick rams before. I did a water change on the sick tank then the fry tank with the same hose. Jon probably remembers that I called him a lot. He's such a great help.
Did they end up making it? I'm hoping I didn't contaminate any others!
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I did lose a lot of fry plus the rams. But I saved some of the fry. I think the rams had flukes worms. I ended up using API General Cure Anti-Parasitic Fish medicine. After I used it I didn't lose anymore fry. It sucks when you contaminate other tanks.
Yes it does! It had me very paranoid about doing it even more
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Quote from: Jdmcfast on October 30, 2012, 10:33:55 AM
a have not seem any sign of popeye, but I'm afraid I may have contaminated the tank next too it atleast. The only thing that I can figure out is if I unknowingly used the bucket that I brought fish home in to do water changes.:(
But I have lost 3 angels from this other tank in question and also yesterday I lost one of my big Koi out of the original tank.:'(
I have been dosing metro since sunday!
What sympotoms did the ones that died show?
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Other than the first pinoy with popeye the only symptoms I've seen is white stringy poo, they are still eating fine
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Quote from: Jdmcfast on October 31, 2012, 03:51:30 PM
Other than the first pinoy with popeye the only symptoms I've seen is white stringy poo, they are still eating fine
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Got any medicated flake around??....if so, I'd feed em some....or treat with 'metro' and raise the tank temp up to 88deg.......could be 'Hex' ???
Did you see the white poo in the existing fish that just died?
One of the existing fish had gotten a lesion on his head and was rolling over and hiding a lot for a few days before it died. The other
2 I saw no warning at all.
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This is my understanding of HITH. If I'm wrong someone needs to correct me. My knowledge comes from Discus.
It starts with a little pit in the head and then progresses. It's thought to be parasitic in nature since hex is found in it. There is usually an underlying problem with water quality.
Apparently healthy fish don't just up and die. (Well, they do once in a blue moon. It's only happened to me twice in almost 12 years). You must have seen something amiss!(?). It takes a long time for fish to die of HITH. It takes them a long time to die of intestinal hex. Intestional Hex makes them uninterested in food, but you say yours are eating well.
It appears that you do have a problem with hex. I hope that you are doing your metro at the rate of 400mg per 10 gallons daily. You can't go lower than 250mg daily if you want to see results. This is a very safe drug on the fish and the parasite is developing immunity to it.
You may have other problems that I can't identify since I'm not there to look at them. If I were to see pictures I might be able to spot something. I suggest that you change a ton of water with water of the same parameters as the tank water, and keep up the metro in the water. It works just fine added to the water rather than the food, and by adding it to the water you know that every fish is getting an effective dose.
I have been doing 1/4 teaspoon per 10g in water and feeding food with metro also. 25-30% WC daily
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Quote from: Jdmcfast on October 31, 2012, 05:45:19 PM
I have been doing 1/4 teaspoon per 10g in water and feeding food with metro also. 25-30% WC daily
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Are you saying I should do more than that?
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I don't know the concentration of the stuff you're using. I use pure metro at the rate of 400 mg per 10 gallons daily in a BB tank with huge WC daily. Treatment lasts for 10 days.
I can't understand why you had fish just up and die on you. Something I don't know ain't right.
I don't get it either, but since the one of them in a different tank for head lesion and died I'm assuming something got contaminated somehow. None of it makes any sense I've been to the sellers house and looked good at the tank they came out of and everything looked great all of his other fish are good. I'm wondering if the bucket he had them in before I transferred to my clean bucket had something? I don't know!:o:'(:o:'(
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So sorry for you fish loss Josh! What a bummer! :(