This morning I started running PVC to my tanks around my room so I can fill multiple tanks at once. Not finished yet and will post progress pics as I go. One question I have is should I glue the PVC together with PVC glue or will that be bad because it could poison the water going into the tanks, just worried if I have the pump running and need to cut the water off at the ball valve for whatever reason the pressure will pop the PVC apart and I'll have a huge mess. Any comments, suggestions, and criticism is welcome
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Here's the pump I'm going to be using
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I've would glue them....with an air system you can get away with out it...but water, why chance it??
nice pump, have you figured the flow when filling more than one tank at a time tho....???...looks like you'll have about a 10 ft head, that'll knock it down a bit too.....it should still work pretty well...
Somebody will chime in with they're using I'm sure......
I would use an in line pump rather than a submersible.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 17, 2015, 04:33:23 PM
I would use an in line pump rather than a submersible.
A good idea, Liz.....there's a bung on most tubs that a bulk head fitting could be used to run from....
I forgot to say that PVC cement isn't toxic to fish.
An inline pump may be more expensive but they are last forever without maintence and pump out a ton of water compared to the reletive trickle a 1/2 hp submersable. 55 GPM a joke compared to what a good in line pump will put out.
Quoteshould I glue the PVC together with PVC glue or will that be bad because it could poison the water going into the tanks
PVC glue can be harmful to fish if it has not yet dried up. PVC glue is PVC plastic dissolved in a bunch of nasty chemicals (don't use in un-ventilated areas if you can avoid it). Dried up glue is harmless and also considered food safe or it wouldn't be used for building codes.
The best documented harm to fish is effects on their kidneys (by Renata Reimschussel).
The facility I ran did a lot of testing of things like this by keeping developing zebrafish eggs in dishes, with and without the material being tested, for the first 5 days of their development. All the fish in a test were from the same individual breeding event. This equalized any genetic effects as well as the effects of any weird things that might happen to them due to the conditions in which they were being raised. We used about 100 eggs for each condition (we could generate a lot of eggs). Interesting results would get repeated a few times.
Dried PVC glue (all the solvent gone) had no effect in this test.
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There are other ways to join pipe, but they are more expensive and might have metal in contact with the water (good to avoid with fish) and may wear out.
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Some people like un-submerged pumps better.
However, you might want to consider a submersible pump for the following reasons:
- requires less to install (fewer holes to make and holes to seal
- fewer possible places for leaks to develop (glue joints, bulkhead penetrations)
- pump removal and replacement is easy if you have the pump pumping out a pipe with a union is it can be detached and lifted out like a pump on a stick
- submerged pumps have good heat removal (harder to burn-out)
- heat from the pump is used to heat the water (could be a plus or minus depending on your local environmental conditions)
Bad Submerged Pump Things:
- electrical problems (avoid bad cords (use a GFI if possible))
- pump make leak water in and nasty chemicals out
- grounding problems, if you use meters in the system
- big pumps: more difficult to get out
Another thing about PVC fumes:
If you have the opportunity to plumb an air intake to your air pump if would be handy to to run an intake pipe out side. You could use valves to control inside outside or what ever. Then you could fill you fish room with fumes, and still aerate them with fresh air from outside.
I know a lab that had some epoxy work done in a fish room that used air from the room to aerate the fish. The chemical from the air was transferred to the fish water. The fish did not die, but they didn't breed from 6 months.
Rather than just the GPM, a better numerical comparison of pump strength is the head (back pressure) to flow rate chart that is supposed to be associated with each pump sold.
This compares the amount of flow at various heights above the pump (or water line being pumped out of).
Some pumps pump a lot at low pressure, but would not be able to pump up 6 feet.
Others could.
The chart (or graph) should show it.
Quote from: BillT on January 17, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
Rather than just the GPM, a better numerical comparison of pump strength is the head (back pressure) to flow rate chart that is supposed to be associated with each pump sold.
This compares the amount of flow at various heights above the pump (or water line being pumped out of).
Some pumps pump a lot at low pressure, but would not be able to pump up 6 feet.
Others could.
The chart (or graph) should show it.
It does Bill, look at the pump box pics above...
QuoteIt does Bill, look at the pump box pics above...
Well, good.
I have come across some of the pumps that don't have that info.
Its the sign of a more responsible manufacturer.
By the way I like the dropper holder.
Quote from: BillT on January 17, 2015, 05:43:33 PM
QuoteIt does Bill, look at the pump box pics above...
Well, good.
I have come across some of the pumps that don't have that info.
Its the sign of a more responsible manufacturer.
By the way I like the dropper holder.
I do too...mine has a strap....easy lift outs when needed..... ;D
Thanks for all the info everyone. I've used an inline pump before and it was ridiculously loud so that's why I went with a submersible. Plus Ive been using a submersible for years and really like them for ease of use. I will glue my PVC since it's not toxic to fish, after I get whole system dry fitted together. I'm confident this pump will be more than ample for my application because I ony plan on using my 100 gal stock tank once per water change. And at my current rate of filling tanks I sit and wait an hour and a half while I go from tank to tank and fill up. If this pump fills them all in 30 minutes I'll be thrilled.
Quote from: JC on January 17, 2015, 05:56:53 PM
Thanks for all the info everyone. I've used an inline pump before and it was ridiculously loud so that's why I went with a submersible. Plus Ive been using a submersible for years and really like them for ease of use. I will glue my PVC since it's not toxic to fish, after I get whole system dry fitted together. I'm confident this pump will be more than ample for my application because I ony plan on using my 100 gal stock tank once per water change. And at my current rate of filling tanks I sit and wait an hour and a half while I go from tank to tank and fill up. If this pump fills them all in 30 minutes I'll be thrilled.
I think that's the important part too, Josh.....it'll be something that
you are comfortable with...;-)
Yep! I mean don't get me wrong I do like in line pumps but sometimes I do water changes early in the morning or late at night when my family is asleep and I'm worried it would be too noisy and wake them
You must have been using one of those Wayne type pumps. I use silent in line pumps to drain and fill. They're not cheap, but they last.
Yes it was a Wayne pump Liz
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 17, 2015, 06:47:28 PM
You must have been using one of those Wayne type pumps. I use silent in line pumps to drain and fill. They're not cheap, but they last.
What brand pumps are you using Liz? I am probably going to get some new ones soon.
Quote from: BillT on January 17, 2015, 05:43:33 PM
By the way I like the dropper holder.
LOL I liked that too.
I would definitely glue the pipe. It might stay together as long as there is no restriction, but once you close the valves, water pressure will blow those joints apart.
Dennis
Drainage pipe on the other hand can be "glued together with silicon.
It holds pretty well and is easy to take apart. I wouldn't expect it to take any pressure though.
That "dropper holder" was there when I bought my house 6yrs ago. It's a screw driver holder but I repurposed it haha. I'm glad everyone likes it! It's pretty darn handy
Well I got all my PVC glued last night. Really excited to try it out. Does anyone know how long I need to let it cure for before it's safe for fish?
I go by what the label on the glue says (usually for water for human consumption) and the smell.
You could also blow air through the pipes to drive of the fumes off faster and/or run water through the pipes but not to the fish.
Increasing the temperature (dare I say pipal warming) will also cause the solvent to evaporate faster.
If you use charcoal in your filtration, the charcoal should remove at least some of the solvents.
I'll echo Bill's suggestion(s)....run air or water through the pvc....you could try a piece of air line from you pump.....
Well today was my first test run with my new system and boy am I impressed! I changed 50% in: 37, 75, 20, 20, 40B, 29, 29. I got siphoned all the poo drained them and had them filled in 35 minutes!!! It used to take me 2-2 1/2 hours. I'm so pleased
Boomba!!!!..it's a hit !!!!!..... 8)
Hard plumbing a fish room is the only way to go.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 22, 2015, 06:59:09 PM
Hard plumbing a fish room is the only way to go.
Heck yes it is! Don't know why I didn't do this earlier....years earlier! Haha
I love engineered efficiency.