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THE POND-THE FRESHWATER PLACE => Angelfish => Topic started by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 12:46:21 PM

Title: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
We've been growing these out for a bit now...they're in a 55gal to pair off...also, in there are (2) F2 Manacapuru....a mixed pair will yield all Silver lace...a sibling spawn from there will get us fortified DD's with the wild blood...plus preserve the a good body shape and thickness. This will be Jan's project....we're just waiting on the 'love machines' to hook up.. ;D

Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 12:47:24 PM
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Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
They make my heart go pit a pat.  The fish are lovely.  Jan has a long row to hoe.  Keep us informed of how the project progresses.  I want to see this work in progress as it unfolds.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: PaulineMi on January 12, 2014, 12:57:46 PM
WOW!!!!!!   Those are beautiful!
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
Do these have a good red eye?  It's hard to tell from the pic.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
Do these have a good red eye?  It's hard to tell from the pic.

Yes'm......the most beautiful red eyes... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 01:06:39 PM
Do these have a good red eye?  It's hard to tell from the pic.

Yes'm......the most beautiful red eyes... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You tease.  I don't drool often but when I drool, I DROOL.   Pics and updates often, please.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: wiggs on January 12, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
I`m glad that I made you drool Liz, We have to get these to pair up first. I saved these from getting sold because of their veils, which I love.    I keep telling Jon that they look like they`re all females, I was wanting to breed the blacks together . He said put in some wilds and if they mate, we will have black lace, then breed those together and get double blacks with a wild gene to make them stronger.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
To me, the second pic looks like a fish full of eggs with a breeding tube coming down.  The fish in the first pics looks female to me, but I am often wrong. 
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
To me, the second pic looks like a fish full of eggs with a breeding tube coming down.  The fish in the first pics looks female to me, but I am often wrong.

Bingo !!!....May have to toss a proven male in there to see....I think that there's at least one male, perhaps two.....we'll see.....the ladies want to dance, but who goes going to ask her?????
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:45:39 PM
Of course I'll want to see pics of the male(s).
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:45:39 PM
Of course I'll want to see pics of the male(s).

Pic #1 is a suspect.....pic #3 on the right is another....
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:55:36 PM
The pic in the first pic could be.  I can't tell the first thing from the second pics.  I need a good pic from the side even to be able to guess.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 12, 2014, 02:55:36 PM
The pic in the first pic could be.  I can't tell the first thing from the second pics.  I need a good pic from the side even to be able to guess.

LOL...good luck....took me a gazillion shots to get those ;D
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: wsantia1 on January 12, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
We've been growing these out for a bit now...they're in a 55gal to pair off...also, in there are (2) F2 Manacapuru....a mixed pair will yield all Silver lace...a sibling spawn from there will get us fortified DD's with the wild blood...plus preserve the a good body shape and thickness. This will be Jan's project....we're just waiting on the 'love machines' to hook up.. ;D

Those are real sweet Jon & Jan.  Are they any kin to the black veils I got from you?
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 04:08:34 PM
Yeppers, I believe they may be....should be about 10-12 months old??....I sold the parents in the spring/late spring????? I saved a half dozen, or so, for Jan....she likes them. ;D...look at pic #2 , if you'll notice the flash doesn't pick up any underlying bars...that's because it's D/D S/S.......black velvet,,,
some are D/+ S/S..black 'Turq's....check yours, I know a couple of std veils popped out of that spawn to...but big veiled for std..pretty....a streaked gene may pop out of this line too....

The parents were D/g S/S - D/g S/+....they produced
12.50%   D/D - S/+ Black(dd) Ghost
12.50%   D/D - S/S Black(dd) Velvet
25.00%   D/g - S/+ Hybrid Black Ghost
25.00%   D/g - S/S Hybrid Black Velvet
12.50%   g/g - S/+ Gold Ghost
12.50%   g/g - S/S Gold Blushing

That same pic doesn't pick up a gold sheen either....altho some may carry it still, likely the 'Turqs' , the D/g S/S...called velvet above because the gold is recessive and isn't expressing. Gold was introduced to black breeding years ago to make them less deleterious, thus providing stronger fry.



Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: wsantia1 on January 12, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 04:08:34 PM
Yeppers, I believe they may be....should be about 10-12 months old??....I sold the parents in the spring/late spring????? I saved a half dozen, or so, for Jan....she likes them. ;D...look at pic #2 , if you'll notice the flash doesn't pick up any underlying bars...that's because it's D/D S/S.......black velvet,,,
some are D/+ S/S..black 'Turq's....check yours, I know a couple of std veils popped out of that spawn to...but big veiled for std..pretty....a streaked gene may pop out of this line too....

The parents were D/g S/S - D/g S/+....they produced
12.50%   D/D - S/+ Black(dd) Ghost
12.50%   D/D - S/S Black(dd) Velvet
25.00%   D/g - S/+ Hybrid Black Ghost
25.00%   D/g - S/S Hybrid Black Velvet
12.50%   g/g - S/+ Gold Ghost
12.50%   g/g - S/S Gold Blushing

That same pic doesn't pick up a gold sheen either....altho some may carry it still, likely the 'Turqs' , the D/g S/S...called velvet above because the gold is recessive and isn't expressing. Gold was introduced to black breeding years ago to make them less deleterious, thus providing stringer fry.

You must have read my mind.  I was thinking about the genotype for these just a minute ago.  I think I see a little gold sheen at times. I thought it was my eyes playing trick on me again.  LOL.  Anyway I love these guys too. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: JR on January 12, 2014, 04:34:47 PM
I like them alot very nice Jon
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
Thanks JR....
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: b125killer on January 12, 2014, 08:36:23 PM
Them are some good pics Jon. Who took them? I like the black velvet.
Title: Re: Black Veils
Post by: Mugwump on January 12, 2014, 08:47:25 PM
Quote from: b125killer on January 12, 2014, 08:36:23 PM
Them are some good pics Jon. Who took them? I like the black velvet.

T'was me....LOL...forty two million shots an I got a few right....there's hope...LOL