Is a short gill plate always genetic or can it be due to poor water quality or other sub-optimal conditions.
Over breeding lines weakens the fry where this can happen...bad water excelerates it
Can it be due to bad water alone? These are not fish that I bred myself so It's not a water quality thing. I don't think that's due to inbreeding because the fish are the product of a lot of weird strains.
I had an angel with see-through gill plates that showed red, but the plates were normal. Over time the silver appeared and eventually it became normal.
Quote from: wallace on July 28, 2017, 07:01:15 PM
I had an angel with see-through gill plates that showed red, but the plates were normal. Over time the silver appeared and eventually it became normal.
This is not that but I will look more closely before I toss them.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on July 28, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
Can it be due to bad water alone? These are not fish that I bred myself so It's not a water quality thing. I don't think that's due to inbreeding because the fish are the product of a lot of weird strains.
....over and over and.....
OK.
I asked on TAS, too, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to cull them. I hate it. The best fish are the ones with the deformity. But it's not like this my greatest disappointment. When I put it into perspective this ain't shit.
....it's best....sorry
The deed has been done. I culled 5 fish but the guy sent me extras so I still have 7 left.
I have just inquired about shipping cost on these. I'm stubborn. If I out cross to a different strain I can sow's ears into silk purses http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwangelfish&1501384802.
This looks like the seller...
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?126577-Louisville-Discus
I'd I thought that my fish room was packed to bursting :o
Nobody approves of my new project?
I hate to pass in these because if I am to do anything with half blacks I need new blood. I lost my old group of half blacks because I couldn't find new blood to cross into the line.
I'm torn...this guy is asking too much for the fish, at least in my opinion, and he only ships FedEx Overnight. Shipping for 4 fish would be $55. which would bring the total to $230. It's just too damn much to spend on 4 fish. On the other hand, I need them and God only knows when I might see half blacks offered for sale again.
Nobody bid on the auction that I inquired about and it his been relisted. He has plenty of half blacks available. I'm thinking that I should wait for the new auction to run it's course with nobody buying and contact the guy again and start negotiating with him at that point. Do you think that is a good strategy or do you think that I just suck it up and take the plunge? When I had my half black line I sold proven pairs for $150. and shipped USPS priority.
I don't know enough about genetics to know if its worth it. I would send you my male HBs but I don't think they have the shape you are looking for. They don't have that altum-like sloped forehead.
Thanks for your kindness, Dan. Are these the ones that came from me or the ones with the big bellies?
These are from angelsplus, that had the bulging bellies, but that seems to have faded. They have amazing size though. I'm either going to find a couple of females, or find them a new home. I might just focus on trying to breed wild discus and wild rams... not sure. I need something challenging on a small scale.
That's very kind of you, Dan but I need younger fish.
A miracle just happened. I was talking to Barb on the phone yesterday evening and she was bitching about the Angels she got from me as little nickles a long time ago. She was consolidating tanks and put the fish she got from me who are big in with her skittish Discus and the Discus ran and hid ::) Among the ones I sent her she has a half black pair that spawns every week. Barb does not ship anything but endlers. Her first experience shipping Angels ended in disaster and she swore off.
I called her back this afternoon and asked, "If I grovel at your feet until one of us up and dies will you send me the pair?" We worked it out. I have the right size insulated box. She does not. I have 3 mil bags galore. She doesn't have those. I have wonderful cellulose insulation that I learned about from Lotsoffish on aquabid who is a very smart guy. All I need to do is send her all the stuff, pay overnight shipping because Barb is afraid of two day, and I get the pair otherwise free of charge.
Start now not a lot of people paying attention to fish now all the keepers are just maintaining for the summer all the new bees are out partying you can most likely get the best price now no demand when it starts cooling down a lot of people start looking at their tanks. Plus you know we are all cheap and rather not use our own money to buy thing for fish room I like to use I call it fish money to buy stuff for fish also ask about fry might give you a good deal on a bunch of .25 to .50 also might not be as afraid to ship smaller different
Quote from: LizStreithorst on July 30, 2017, 04:49:44 PM
A miracle just happened. I was talking to Barb on the phone yesterday evening and she was bitching about the Angels she got from me as little nickles a long time ago. She was consolidating tanks and put the fish she got from me who are big in with her skittish Discus and the Discus ran and hid ::) Among the ones I sent her she has a half black pair that spawns every week. Barb does not ship anything but endlers. Her first experience shipping Angels ended in disaster and she swore off.
I called her back this afternoon and asked, "If I grovel at your feet until one of us up and dies will you send me the pair?" We worked it out. I have the right size insulated box. She does not. I have 3 mil bags galore. She doesn't have those. I have wonderful cellulose insulation that I learned about from Lotsoffish on aquabid who is a very smart guy. All I need to do is send her all the stuff, pay overnight shipping because Barb is afraid of two day, and I get the pair otherwise free of charge.
Well there ya go. |^| You can have fry in no time. Shipping isn't clear across the continent... isn't she in NC?
The hard part is that I know very well not every offspring from a half black spawn turns but you make a good point. I'm gonna wait until this guys auction runs it's course with nobody buying before I negotiation with the guy. It will put me in a stronger position that way. I want the fish but his price with shipping is outrageous. I want the fish but I will bide my time.
|^|..thanx Barb.....
Yes, Dan, She's in NC and I'm in Mississippi. It should be a piece of cake to get them here alive but you never know...Shipping is stressful as hell. Things turn bad with the most important fish. Barb is spooked because her first experience shipping Angels was to me and it ended in disaster. The fact that she's even willing to give it a try again makes me realize what a good friend she is.
Sounds like a plan.
Good for you Liz hope they arrive safe and healthy good luck and way to go barb to give those fish to a good fish keeper.something good is going to happen in your tanks for that
Thanks for the good thoughts, Tony.
Glad to be of help Liz, now if I can just pack them well enough and the position of the sun, moon, and stars are all good, and I say a special word or two to mother nature, they will arrive fine. I will even starve them for 2 days first. Liz didn't tell you the rest of the story of these angels. Last week I put all 4 of my Liz fish. all less than 2 yrs old by the way, in with my full grown Electric Blue Jack Dempsey. The 5 fish are friends and get along beautifully, my EBJD is 10" and I raised him from a 1" $50 baby from a lfs. That is the rest of the story...
Barb
I'll send the box and all the shipping stuff off to you tomorrow, Barb. I know how much you dread shipping. I dread it, too. Thanks from the bottom of my heart. You are a good friend.