..about 8 days, they're settling in a routine with this 2nd spawn....it's tthere's, we'll see if they'll raise em....perfect spot too, a nice broad anubias leaf....hope he got em all...
I love that pair if I do say so myself. I hope they do right and raise them. Sometimes they don't :'(. I have a pair that I'm going to give a third chance to before I pull the cone.
Most Angel people don't care about parent raising. My belief is that if instinct is not bred for it will be lost. Just look at a beef cow compared to a Dairy Cow. Any stranger can walk up to a Dairy cow and take it's new born baby away. The mothering instinct has been bred out. A beef cow who gives birth in the pasture will try to kill anyone who gets close to her kid.
Wouldn't you just know. The pair that I'm giving a third chance is going at it now. Best of luck to both of us.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on August 30, 2014, 02:32:43 PM
I love that pair if I do say so myself. I hope they do right and raise them. Sometimes they don't :'(. I have a pair that I'm going to give a third chance to before I pull the cone.
Most Angel people don't care about parent raising. My belief is that if instinct is not bred for it will be lost. Just look at a beef cow compared to a Dairy Cow. Any stranger can walk up to a Dairy cow and take it's new born baby away. The mothering instinct has been bred out. A beef cow who gives birth in the pasture will try to kill anyone who gets close to her kid.
'au contraire'....lots of folks go for parent raising pairs...I think most current angel keepers lack the skill, and patience, to artificially raise them....yanking a spawn has a certain methodology involved that folks have trouble grasping...ie...keeping the tank(s) as clean as possible, perfecting a feeding technique, etc...even with scripted directions, it takes a bit of 'trial and error' to master...you have to be able to think as you go too, because each spawn brings it's own character to the forefront ..
I know of two breeders in Chicago, one well known, that still have trouble tank raising fry....and after many, many years in the hobby....they sell off the pairs that don't quickly, because of it....LOL...I even got one of those 'rejects'....they raised em from day one here....LOL....
and good luck with your pair.....this time they'll get it right,,, ;D
I am sure that I could jump through the hoops of artificial if I had to. I really don't want to. It's contrary to nature.
If my pair doesn't do right this time I will figure something out. I may put my male with huge strong fins in smaller tanki with several female standards.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on August 30, 2014, 03:44:12 PM
I am sure that I could jump through the hoops of artificial if I had to. I really don't want to. It's contrary to nature.
If my pair doesn't do right this time I will figure something out. I may put my male with huge strong fins in smaller tanki with several female standards.
Liz, I don't think you'd have any trouble with raising a spawn....you've got the the 'feel', the 'touch' with fish keeping......bend, adjust, go with it attitude....just make it work.... ;D ;D
No bad eggs, so far...they're tending when they aren't begging for food when I pass by....LOL... ;D
YOurs are doing better than mine. My eggs are gone this morning. I'm going now to introduce him to several more lady friends.
I did as I said. I took out the old female and put in 3 other standards. One turned out to be a male so I took him right back out. One of the females was plump the other was not. The plump one started beating up on the non plumb so I removed her. Now the male and miss plump are cleaning the cone with a vengeance.
Some whities are showing up and they're picking them off nicely....about 1/2 a spawn left....wiggler day tomorrow, let's see how many make it...???....if they're gone, then their tank gets a very thorough cleaning... ;D.....the 'works'....I want to eliminate that from the list of possibilities...the water is perfect, but perhaps a good gravel clean will help make a difference for next time....???
eggs go poof........next time.... ;D.....changing my mind, maybe......might pull em...???...
Rats. That sounds like a good idea, though. At least you'll find out whether the problem is with the fertility of the male or if the pair just enjoys eating their children.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 01, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
Rats. That sounds like a good idea, though. At least you'll find out whether the problem is with the fertility of the male or if the pair just enjoys eating their children.
They're not egg eaters, I'm pretty sure of that...just need to fine tune their parental skills.....
Please 'splain me this. If the eggs turn white and then are gone how can it be other that either a fertility or egg eating problem?
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 01, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
Please 'splain me this. If the eggs turn white and then are gone how can it be other that either a fertility or egg eating problem?
'Whities' can be caused by environment, parent neglect, the spawn surface, etc....fertility is normally not a concern....if they scarf the 'whities', this is a good thing...it removes a potential source of bacteria build up within the other 'good' eggs in the spawn.....
Quote from: Mugwump on September 01, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 01, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
Please 'splain me this. If the eggs turn white and then are gone how can it be other that either a fertility or egg eating problem?
'Whities' can be caused by environment, parent neglect, the spawn surface, etc....fertility is normally not a concern....if they scarf the 'whities', this is a good thing...it removes a potential source of bacteria build up within the other 'good' eggs in the spawn.....
Forgive me. Everything you said is true. In this case the eggs are mostly there during the day but are gone by the next morning. The obvious conclusion is that they are egg eaters. I hope that you prove me wrong, but you won't.
Do you leave a light on for the pair/eggs ???
If same is true of Angels as Discus, I shouldn't need to leave a light on. The environment they come from is the same. Lights don't shine on the Amazon at night.
I leave a 40 watt light on in my living room. Once my eyes adjust, I can see my way around. If I can see, the fish can see.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 01, 2014, 05:33:25 PM
If same is true of Angels as Discus, I shouldn't need to leave a light on. The environment they come from is the same. Lights don't shine on the Amazon at night.
I leave a 40 watt light on in my living room. Once my eyes adjust, I can see my way around. If I can see, the fish can see.
...just ask'd....I do...
I sleep in my fish room (yes, I do have a nice bed room, It's that I like to hear the bubbles). I depend on the light that drifts into the fish room from the lamp I leave on in the living room.
I noticed something interesting last night, though. My best male and his new female spawned yesterday. The tank lights on the timers started clicking off one by one. I turned off the light on the pair's tank manually. There were other tank lights on so the pair could see but the male started beating the shit out of his mate. I turned their light back on and pointed it partly toward the wall so the tank was lit but the light wasn't strong enough to bother me. The male quit being mean. Very strange.
The pair has a bunch of white eggs on the bottom of the tank today but most of the eggs look good. Another pair that I'm going to offer on Aquabid spawned at the same time. I turned their light off. They got along just fine and today I don't see a single white egg. Ain't that just the way it goes?
LOL...yep they are sometimes.....as you did, just some kind of light helps some...it doesn't have to be a beacon....if I have side by side spawns, I'll even alternate lights...