Any of you guys into wild Altums?

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi guys, I'm Pat and am mostly a discus keeper. But I do have a young group of wild altums. This is my current batch of young Atabapo Altums. They are about five months old (rough guess).

[Mugwump]

..beautiful Altums.....sweeeeeeeet.....and I like your music ...a bunch of old rockers here too...

I've been looking at mike Troxell's F1's for a bit....I'm grab some.??...right now I have some Sta Isabel/Rio Negro ctoses and a few Mancapuru.....Altums would about complete what I like......

thanks for the vid

[Second Hand Pat]

Jon,

Mike had a spawn just hatch today. He is letting the parents raise this batch. He is as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. He is a great guy and trying to raise perfect fry. He is getting close to have growouts he is happy with. Do you have redbacks?

Pat

[Mugwump]

Jon,

Mike had a spawn just hatch today. He is letting the parents raise this batch. He is as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. He is a great guy and trying to raise perfect fry. He is getting close to have growouts he is happy with. Do you have redbacks?

Pat

I know....his last batch, he had some in the TAS auction, and he's had some on Aquabid too..

Yes, I have a Manacapuru few left, but I lost my F1 pair a couple months back...they were about 5-6 years old...

[Barb]

I would love to have some, but our water wouldn't suit them.  Yours are so pretty.
Barb

[John Patakos]

those are gorgeous Altums Pat.Altums are one of my favorites and i would love to have some.i just can't afford them.i need to find someone to buy all of my guns and custom made knives so i can get some.

[Second Hand Pat]

I would love to have some, but our water wouldn't suit them.  Yours are so pretty.
Barb

Thanks Barb, I would consider these guys special needs fish which is mainly dealing with their water prep. I use RO water and add RO Right targeting a TDS of 100 and add additional minerals with Discus Essentials. Basically I aiming for acidic water with lots of minerals to support fin growth. The ph in their tank is 5.5.
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

those are gorgeous Altums Pat.Altums are one of my favorites and i would love to have some.i just can't afford them.i need to find someone to buy all of my guns and custom made knives so i can get some.

Thanks John, you can afford them if you are willing to get them really small. I got these at dime sized end of July this year. They cost $15 each plus shipping. I get mine from John (snookn21) in Florida. This is how tiny they are.

The tannins in the water is rooibos tea which I use to support the altums after shipping and help them acclimate. The tea adds all sort of good things to the water and is a cheap way to get that bio-tope look.
Pat

[sschind]

Don't know what rooibos is.  Can I use Lipton?   

[Mugwump]

Don't know what rooibos is.  Can I use Lipton?   

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/beverage/health-benefits-of-red-rooibos-tea.html

[Second Hand Pat]

Don't know what rooibos is.  Can I use Lipton?   

Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic.
Pat

[Mugwump]

Don't know what rooibos is.  Can I use Lipton?   

Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic.
Pat

....and it cures almost anything too....

[Second Hand Pat]

Don't know what rooibos is.  Can I use Lipton?   

Definitely not the same. Checkout Jon's link in the post above. Here is what I buy http://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Tea-Organic-African-16-Ounce/dp/B000SATIE6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1447549917&sr=8-5&keywords=rooibos+tea+organic.
Pat

....and it cures almost anything too....

and delicious to drink

[LizStreithorst]

They are beautiful, Pat.  Look at that strong finnage and the body shape.  Good fish.  Why would plain old peat moss not work for lowering the pH?

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Liz, no need to mess with peat. The tank's ph is 5.5. Look at my post to Barb (reply 6) and you will see how I prep the water for their water changes.
Pat