I just read that David has copywritten the Dantum angel name. It cannot be used in advertising or selling these guys. He and Carol Francis will be teaming up to develop various strains of Dantums, i.e., Dantum paraibas, etc.
Quote from: PaulineMi on September 21, 2014, 09:56:42 AM
I just read that David has copywritten the Dantum angel name. It cannot be used in advertising or selling these guys. He and Carol Francis will be teaming up to develop various strains of Dantums, i.e., Dantum paraibas, etc.
Carol's already had a couple years head start on this..........copy writing a phenotype after the fact...interesting......wonder what folks will come up with for a phenotype name to circumvent it...LOL...now no 'Facebook group' will be safe from a flood of pics and advertising... ;D
'Albino invert stripes'
'invert strippers'
'Philippine blue inverted pariabas'
yada yada.....
add yours here..... ;D
It will end up being the same thing we have with Discus. We call it "the name game". All it does is serve to make it more difficult for a newbie to figure out. I'm not surprised that David was the first one to do this with Angels.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
It will end up being the same thing we have with Discus. We call it "the name game". All it does is serve to make it more difficult for a newbie to figure out. I'm not surprised that David was the first one to do this with Angels.
I know....but it'll have to be from this point forward....the present phenotype names are set in stone now....'Dantum' really becomes nothing but a buzz word identifying David as the seller of them. Same for Carol.....the copy right is a mute point......just an attention grabber....we'll see...David's a sharp guy, he knows how to get the word out on things like this... I don't see it changing anything much...except maybe on Carol's part..it'll be more postings of fish for sale...
That's good to hear, but if I were Carol I'd be thinking that he has one hell of a nerve.
I thought these were Danziger Dantums. So like you said Liz......it has the potential to become a confusing name game.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
That's good to hear, but if I were Carol I'd be thinking that he has one hell of a nerve.
Why?????....she's had those Dantums before anyone else( from David) and is partnering with him on this.......she'll ride the coat tails to additional sales....
Danziger was just his source.........he's using just 'Dantum'....it's just a stab at corralling a propitiatory name for business use....
I didn't realize that they were partners. I still don't like the idea of copy writing the name of a strain of fish. It only adds to confusion. Is there a way to refer to them in Greek?
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
I didn't realize that they were partners. I still don't like the idea of copy writing the name of a strain of fish. It only adds to confusion. Is there a way to refer to them in Greek?
LOL...Greek or Latin would get too messy. ;D...just like discus another similar phenotype name will eventually surface....I admire David's moxie....it's an attention getter, for sure... ;D We'll just have to wait and watch it play itself out, that's all.
Why would Greek be messy? Greek is the truth.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
Why would Greek be messy? Greek is the truth.
No one has done any cross breeding to the Dantun's yet to provide what their make up is genetically....supposedly just an Albino to an Altum....but more likely a just a Peruvian scalare, IMHO
Greek....?
LOL...that's why discus folks shy from it...?...always wondered why they haven't probed the genetics, it would provide genotype names and make breeding crosses so much easier.....at least you have expectations of results....
Quote from: Mugwump on September 21, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
Why would Greek be messy? Greek is the truth.
No one has done any cross breeding to the Dantun's yet to provide what their make up is genetically....supposedly just an Albino to an Altum....but more likely a just a Peruvian scalare, IMHO
Greek....?
LOL...that's why discus folks shy from it...?...always wondered why they haven't probed the genetics, it would provide genotype names and make breeding crosses so much easier.....at least you have expectations of results....
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
I didn't realize that they were partners. I still don't like the idea of copy writing the name of a strain of fish. It only adds to confusion. Is there a way to refer to them in Greek?
I am in agreement with Liz on the copy writing issue.
Rick, the girl at DaaH, has done a lot of deconstruction of strains. The genetics of Discus is a conglomeration of a huge mess of crosses. He has come up with some weird results by breeding his mutts. I wish that somebody who has the desire to further the hobby was fluent in Greek would take up the challenge.
Nicholson maintains that everything goes back to Turks. I'm sure he's right, but there is no way to even say Turk in Greek.
Imagine using the Latin species identifier with a Greek strain title. :o
While a strain is being developed it would be in beta mode? 8)
Quote from: PaulineMi on September 21, 2014, 01:44:11 PM
Imagine using the Latin species identifier with a Greek strain title. :o
While a strain is being developed it would be in beta mode? 8)
LOL...........bingo.....but Liz calls genetic script 'Greek'....
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
Rick, the girl at DaaH, has done a lot of deconstruction of strains. The genetics of Discus is a conglomeration of a huge mess of crosses. He has come up with some weird results by breeding his mutts. I wish that somebody who has the desire to further the hobby was fluent in Greek would take up the challenge.
Nicholson maintains that everything goes back to Turks. I'm sure he's right, but there is no way to even say Turk in Greek.
"Rick the girl at DAAH ?".....LOL.....If 'turqs' are mixed genetics, that can't be true....
everything dates back to wild type....that's a given....plus, I'm sure there are more than one collection point for discus...right?... ;D
Turks are a wild type. It's Nicholson who says that they would all revert to Turks, not Rick. My gut say that that they would revert to eather Turks or what used to be called Browns and what are now called Alanquers and Santarums.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on September 21, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
Turks are a wild type. It's Nicholson who says that they would all revert to Turks, not Rick. My gut say that that they would revert to eather Turks or what used to be called Browns and what are now called Alanquers and Santarums.
I would lean towards browns also.....I believe they were the earliest collected .....??...narrowing down to collection point(s) would help a lot.....there's a lot of info on the early collectors and where they caught them....All Europeans....I'd think that it could be researched..??...that would offer a clue anyway..
http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-exclusives/fama/discus/discus-fish-history.aspx (http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-exclusives/fama/discus/discus-fish-history.aspx)
FAKE trademark,don't let David fool you.
http://www.trademarkia.com/dantum-86373578.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/dantum-86373578.html)
Quote from: ghonk on January 25, 2016, 05:35:50 AM
http://www.trademarkia.com/dantum-86373578.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/dantum-86373578.html)
Quote from: ghonk on January 20, 2016, 12:04:52 AM
FAKE trademark,don't let David fool you.
That's been known for quite a while now....it was even discussed on FB....
this is the same guy who sells Raiko's angels, and possibly not with the best description of what each shipment truly represents?....imho, this adds to the confusion about the bsp, and others.....folks don't know what they are actually getting to work with....
Yeah i know it was on facebook,my craigslist ad started the conversation.
With David jumping back and forth on his opinion if it should be deleted or not.
One minute it was i'm going to contact whoever about it because this isn't the place for it,and the next it was leave it as is because he had nothing to hide.
In the end it was deleted,like he really wanted it to be.
So when is David going to get around to deleting that Dantum is trademarked on his website,let me see,i'm guessing NEVER.
Quote from: ghonk on January 25, 2016, 06:44:36 AM
Yeah i know it was on facebook,my craigslist ad started the conversation.
With David jumping back and forth on his opinion if it should be deleted or not.
One minute it was i'm going to contact whoever about it because this isn't the place for it,and the next it was leave it as is because he had nothing to hide.
In the end it was deleted,like he really wanted it to be.
So when is David going to get around to deleting that Dantum is trademarked on his website,let me see,i'm guessing NEVER.
Yup.......it will stay there fooling some folks....$$$'s.....
I'm debating posting the link on the angelfish breeders and other FB pages.
But he will probably just bitch about it till it is removed.
Even though it's info that needs to be known, something other then look how pretty my angelfish is.
Quote from: ghonk on January 25, 2016, 07:02:05 AM
I'm debating posting the link on the angelfish breeders and other FB pages.
But he will probably just bitch about it till it is removed.
Even though it's info that needs to be known, something other then look how pretty my angelfish is.
I'm an 'admin' on a bunch of them.....so unless it gets really out of hand....they'll stay up...
That's good to know,i just posted the link on the angelfish breeders and angelfish geeks.
I will not comment on it,unless David wants to call me out and get personal.
Quote from: ghonk on January 25, 2016, 07:14:58 AM
That's good to know,i just posted the link on the angelfish breeders and angelfish geeks.
I will not comment on it,unless David wants to call me out and get personal.
I'm 'admin' on both....we'll see how it runs....
Thanks Jon.
lol It's nice to have friends in high places, huh?
Greg did he say anything because you were selling them on Aquabid and had the name listed there. Theres a lot of people who read the Aquabid forumn you should post it on.
George is right.
Quote from: GeorgeG on January 25, 2016, 06:56:55 PM
Greg did he say anything because you were selling them on Aquabid and had the name listed there. Theres a lot of people who read the Aquabid forumn you should post it on.
No not yet about my aquabid listing,but he did contact me before about my craigslist ad.
Said he was going to sic his attorney on me if a kept selling them as dantums.
Show me the proof and i will sell them as something else,i made up another name for them months ago.
But didn't have it trademarked yet. :)