Is it common for people to cross domestic angels with wild altums? It would be an interesting challenge, but not sure at all what I would end up with. Better shape, maybe.
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
Is it common for people to cross domestic angels with wild altums? It would be an interesting challenge, but not sure at all what I would end up with. Better shape, maybe.
I think most of the Altum crosses are being done with Peruvians....not a true Altum......even the Dantums are more likely Peruvians....the background lineage is questionable....
Found an interesting article which I'm sure you have seen. I would want to try Rio Atabapo altums, more for shape than for color. Snookn has some now.
http://www.dph.nl/article/cat-04/peruvian.shtml
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Found an interesting article which I'm sure you have seen. I would want to try Rio Atabapo altums, more for shape than for color. Snookn has some now.
http://www.dph.nl/article/cat-04/peruvian.shtml
...follow this along as well.....Ken started it..
http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=34151 (http://www.angelfish.net/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=34151)
I had read that a while back and thats the shape I like. Its all so mysterious... if the goal is an altum-like shape, why use SI scalare?... or am I getting myself confused -LOL
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
I had read that a while back and thats the shape I like. Its all so mysterious... if the goal is an altum-like shape, why use SI scalare?... or am I getting myself confused -LOL
..the Sta Isabel has been probably one of the closest scalare to the some of the desired 'Altum' characteristics....one gorgeous angel IMHO |^|
some that I had....more fry growing out now....
(http://www.slickpic.com/pic/url/12805865/MTI0NjA2YjQxMDA3NzA,20160805MTI4MDU4NjUwMTBi/photo/1000)
(http://www.slickpic.com/pic/url/12805841/MTI0NjA2YjQxMDA3NzA,20160805MTI4MDU4NDFiYjRi/photo/1000)
Jon is right and those fish that he has/had are drop dead gorgeous. It's been "rumored" that Scalare and Altum have spawned but I don't think there is documented evidence of that. If anyone has the "evidence" please ledt us know. |^| |^| |^|
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.
Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.
Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.
...yes, I have many older sponges that have been around seemly forever, like old friends...it'd be hard to see them go....so I just keep cycling them in when I clean/change them out of the tanks......
Quote from: Mugwump on August 05, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.
Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.
...yes, I have many older sponges that have been around seemly forever, like old friends...it'd be hard to see them go....so I just keep cycling them in when I clean/change them out of the tanks......
I hope you are successful. |^| |^| |^| |^| |^|
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 10:50:46 AM
Willie, maybe I'll have the evidence for you in a few months... Ha! Why not dream big, eh.
Jon, that sponge has been around for a while looks like. I just ordered about 6 of the cubes with 'cubelifters' to try out.
REAL Altums have to be a lot older before breeding,tank raised maybe sooner but i'm guessing still would need to be quite a bit older.
I'm beginning to understand... these are taxonomically different species, and it has likely never been done before? I assumed that wild crosses were with altums, but this is not the case apparently. I need to do some more reading. The stuff on the forums (TAS & finarama) is way over my head.
Altums are a lot more difficult to breed then scalare,as far as a cross i think the best way would be to use a proven Altum male and a scalare female.
I did read someone did the cross,but the offspring didn't survive,i think they died before free swimming,or soon after.
Yes, if they are anything like heckles it will be the wild male, so that makes sense. I know that Mike (19ghost79) has had some great success lately with altums.
Quote from: wallace on August 05, 2016, 06:54:48 PM
Yes, if they are anything like heckles it will be the wild male, so that makes sense. I know that Mike (19ghost79) has had some great success lately with altums.
Yes he did....Willie has some of those from Mike.... |^|
Cool...they did disappear pretty fast. ;) I've got the right water already so I wouldn't have to make two kinds of water.
Yes Mike did great with his,i started to suggest for him to try the Altum X scalare cross,since he already has the fish available.
But he might have thought i was crazy,and looked at it as sacrilegious. :)
I have wanted to do a Santa Isabel X Domestic cross for several years,with Isabel being the most Altum LIKE.
But finding a proven male that someone would be willing to sell would be very unlikely.
Wild caught Isabel seem to be as hard to breed as Altum,i know a couple experienced breeders who had no luck at all.
The ones I got from Mike are doing great but they are a long term project. They won't be sexually mature for another 1.5 years. I do have an adult wild one in with them that is most likely ready but it has no mate and I don't know what sex it is.