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THE POND-THE FRESHWATER PLACE => Angelfish => Topic started by: Mugwump on November 23, 2012, 03:30:30 PM

Title: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on November 23, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
Folks this is what a real healthy spawn looks like.....'stringers' all stuck together....

Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: b125killer on November 23, 2012, 08:41:17 PM
looks cool  how do they string together like that? is there a reason they do it?
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: P4Angels on November 23, 2012, 11:53:51 PM
WOW lookin good  ;)
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on November 24, 2012, 07:16:53 AM
The strings are from the 'stickum' on their heads. It's what keeps them where the parents spit them....it's very natural...and a good sign...
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on November 28, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
We have lift off....
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: BallAquatics on November 28, 2012, 05:43:07 PM
Will those grow up to look like real Angle fish...  I mean wild type - silver angels?  If so, I might have to try and talk you out of some next spring.....

Dennis
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on November 28, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
Yes, some will appear like the Santa Isabel (red freckly back) and some like the Rio Negro...they should have a bit of wild glitter colors and possibly a little snakeskin....others should be some Albino's, as each parent carries the gene.....time will tell the expressions...
Parents were both were from a St Isabel cross to a Rio Negro that had been crossed to a PB Silver ghost with an albino gene.....+/+ +/S +/pb +/a......
fry should be...
1  Silver  14.0625 % 
2  Blue silver  4.6875 % 
3  Silver albino  4.6875 % 
4  Blue silver albino  1.5625 % 
5  Ghost  28.125 % 
6  Blue ghost  9.375 % 
7  Ghost albino  9.375 % 
8  Blue ghost albino  3.125 % 
9  Blushing  14.0625 % 
10  Paraiba  4.6875 % 
11  Blushing albino  4.6875 % 
12  Paraiba albino  1.5625 % 

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I ,also, have nickle+ sized fry from a Manacapuru( red back) crossed pair, I'm hoping that a good many carry that gene...again, some will have wild type appearance and some will express from the 'het' genes from the cross..crossing to wild strengthens the lines...I'm excited for having two good batches to work with....I have other pairs of wilds and wild crosses getting ready....also, what looks to be a very good Koi spawn at wiggler stage.....ramping up the projects again..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on December 01, 2012, 06:59:58 AM
Well so far, the fry are doing well and eating good....I lost a few of the weaker fry, very possibly some of the Albinos.....time, and growth, will tell what actually survived.....still a good size spawn hatch.....
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: PaulineMi on December 01, 2012, 07:14:06 AM
Very nice Jon!  I wish you the best of luck with your wilds and wild cross breedings!  As an owner of some wild crosses I hold a special place for them.  They possess a beauty all their own.
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on December 01, 2012, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: PaulineMi on December 01, 2012, 07:14:06 AM
Very nice Jon!  I wish you the best of luck with your wilds and wild cross breedings!  As an owner of some wild crosses I hold a special place for them.  They possess a beauty all their own.

Yes they do...the blue/green glitter and occasional snakeskin markings offer some good 'eye candy'....I've been working a few of these lines for awhile now and the shapes and finage from the fry is a pleasure to see. The adults all have good size/thickness and growth.
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on December 01, 2012, 08:41:46 AM
Most recent vid....look thru the glass at the Koi spawn streamers in the tank next to it....awesome....yep....
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on December 08, 2012, 07:19:14 AM
The Koi spawn seems to be doing well but the 'wild crosses' are not eating right, and dying off...puzzling...water's good,etc...rechecked the bbs hatchery for vermin and all seems in line....perhaps I'll raise the next batch in all R/O...the softer water may give a healthy hatch...??
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: PaulineMi on December 12, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
Awww....so sorry to hear about your wild cross fry not making it.  Best of luck on your next attempt.
Title: Re: St Isabel/Rio Negro fry...
Post by: Mugwump on December 12, 2012, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: PaulineMi on December 12, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
Awww....so sorry to hear about your wild cross fry not making it.  Best of luck on your next attempt.

It was parially my bad...I should have used the vinegar eels more, to get some to size before starting the bbs. When the smallest(Albino) started to go I knew that I'd messed up....the dying small ones really add a bacteria factor to the tank..as clean as you can keep it, you're bound to lose a bunch....the larger ones, by nature, take a nip of the weak ones, and it steamrolls from there...dang...but the next one's mine....lots of TLC...and maybe separate the bigger ones earlier...??