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THE POND-THE FRESHWATER PLACE => Cichlids => Topic started by: Ron Sower on February 20, 2013, 11:05:11 AM

Title: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Ron Sower on February 20, 2013, 11:05:11 AM
At the last GSAS meeting Aron (and Lori by proxy) brought me a group of very young multi shell dwellers.  (Thank you both for them!)

Well, I put them in a Fluval Edge with some calcium type substrate, and since I didn't have any snail shells, I took Aron's advice and dumped in a dozen 1/2'' plastice plumbing pipe elbows.  I poured in some more water from a pitcher and notice that I'd made a large divit in the sand.  I told myself I'd smooth it out in the morning. 

Morning came and went and I didn't get it smoothed out.  That evening there were mounds of sand and crater-divits all around the tank!!!  These little guys are true excavators!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I've had more fun watching the tiny guys do their thing that I did when I had my Malawis in the 100 gallon.  those guys were adults, but these guys are just babies!!!!

Thanks, Aron, for ''forcing' me into a new species!
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: PaulineMi on February 20, 2013, 12:14:25 PM
Awesome.  :)  Shell dwellers are soooo cute. Definitely entertaining.
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 20, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Aquarium's answer to the beaver....LOL...they sound neat..
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: P4Angels2 on February 20, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
What's really funny is I could not figure out for the life of me why Aron wanted these little creatures..and once we got them it was love at first landscape project and now I want to go thru clean up their shells and flatten everything again just to see them change it again
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: PaulineMi on February 20, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Here's an example of why those of us who have shell dwellers find them entertaining.  These are my spunky little Neolamprologus brevis fry trying to eat live blackworms:

Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 20, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
Cool...... ;D....like a tug o war.....
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: P4Angels2 on February 20, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
could be like the movie Lady and The Tramp with the spaghetti noodle??? ;D
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 20, 2013, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: P4Angels2 on February 20, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
could be like the movie Lady and The Tramp with the spaghetti noodle??? ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/PXUvy8d.gif)
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 20, 2013, 07:42:11 PM
How long do the 'Multi's' live....what's the best size for a grouping??..best substrate??...foods??
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: P4Angels2 on February 20, 2013, 08:32:14 PM
Not sure of the life span of them as when they are ready they seem to jump out of the tank at us.... ::) our substrate now is crushed coral we used to use sand but found that we didn't care for it as well...the really like live baby brine as well as flake foods..fun to use the baby brine and see all of the "newborns" come out of the shells to eat as well.... we started with about 25 of the little critters but seems as though they are breeding a lot worse than rabbits seem to because everyday we see more and more new kids coming out of their shells. When Aron took some to Ron and to the auction the next day it sure didn't seem like we had taken any out. For us they are not just bottom dwelling fish they are in a 55 gal and come up to the top quite a bit to swim around even with the endlers that are in there....
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: PaulineMi on February 21, 2013, 08:20:19 AM
Mine are N. Brevis...similar to multis but they claim a smaller territory. The life span of both is in the five year range. My female is about that age and is looking like she's in her golden years. Her swim bladder is apparently non functional. She is goby-like...hanging out on the bottom but up and about to eat. Bless her little heart.

Being of the cichlid territorial mind set the ones that end up on the floor usually are there due to a charge attack by a dominant male. I've had it happen when the only opening was a spot next to the filter.  Julidochromis marlieri do this also.

A soft substrate allows the shell dwellers to arrange their housing and landscaping to their liking. The parents spawn in their shells and protect their fry. They are very prolific but easy to catch. Stick your hand in the tank and whoosh....they retreat to their shells in a flash.

When population control became necessary I put a pair in a gravel bottom African cichlid tank. When I sold off the Africans I put them back in a sand bottom tank with my inkfin calvus and the two julies who managed to escape a sell off of their parents and siblings.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/paulinemi/fish/shelliefryMay1020028.jpg)

Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 21, 2013, 09:07:04 AM
Interesting little creatures....our grandkids would like watching them...
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: P4Angels2 on February 21, 2013, 11:30:28 AM
Grandkids would really love watching and seeing the changes that happen all of the time...my dad was amazed at these little critters!!
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Ron Sower on February 21, 2013, 06:47:22 PM
Guess what!!!!!  LInda was watching the shellies the other day and said there's a baby!  I looked and all I saw was one of the smaller ones I got from the Jemisons.  Then today I was watching them and out pops a teeny one!!! I swear I think this group is too young to breed.....but I guess not!

I have mine in Fluval Edge with small grains of calcium type substrate and plumbing elbows...(did I already say that here?).  They change the tank so much that I've decided to level the substrate, place the elbows evenly throughout, take a photo, and then take a photo about the same time every day for awhile.  It should be fun.  There are 3 bigger fellows (about 3/4'' long) that definitely have claimed the majority of the real estate in there.  I want to see how it all plays out with a landscape change.

Anyone remember their Roman and Greek mythology from jr. high days?  Remember how the mortals used to say the gods just set up situations to ''play'' with them and watch what happens from on high Mt. Olympus?????   :o That's kinda what we do isn't it!!!!
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Mugwump on February 21, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
cool...time lapse chaos.....I like it... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: PaulineMi on February 21, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Can't wait to see the pix of the landscape changes.  :D
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: Ron Sower on February 22, 2013, 12:53:27 AM
I have a photographer friend who is going to go with me to find the camera he wants me to get this weekend....Then let the fun begin!
Title: Re: Multies from Aron & Lori
Post by: b125killer on February 22, 2013, 06:06:46 AM
That sounds cool. I can hardly wait to see the progress.