Hello everyone I'm new to breeding angels so any advice and guidance would be great I'll start with posting pictures of my pair and then I'll add on pictures of my other angels(:
Any genetic information that you can tell on this pair would be great!
This pair is in their own 20 gallon tall and they are on their fourth spawn as of yesterday. My female in inexperienced, but the male is proven. I've never made it to wiggler stage, but I'm still trying and trying not to get discouraged :).
Here's a couple more of the pair
...yep, looks to be a pinoy clown...might have a streaked gene...see the kine up through the dorsal and body markings....??
ps..yep, Elaine's here too... ;D.....
Quote from: Mugwump on September 22, 2014, 08:38:27 PM
...yep, looks to be a pinoy clown...might have a streaked gene...see the kine up through the dorsal and body markings....??
ps..yep, Elaine's here too... ;D.....
I figured she's the one who told me about it ::) well awesome I hope these two have some nice fry here in the near future!
My other angels 4 quarter sized platinum pearlscales, a blue smokey, and what I believe to be a paraiba koi ???
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Hello New_b0401. Welcome to the friendliest forum around. :)
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
Quote from: PaulineMi on September 23, 2014, 07:49:11 AM
Hello New_b0401. Welcome to the friendliest forum around. :)
Thanks Pauline! I have quickly realized that fact(:
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 23, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
No need to be sorry... ;D...I think Willie crossed one of my Koi that was 'het' for pb ...he got a few pb Koi.....they won't pop the blue much with the Gm genes working....
Not sure what all that is, but once I'm outta school I'll be doing some research lol
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 23, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
Uhhhh, ??? ??? was that me :-[ ?? When all you have in your brain are BLUES ...LOL!! TOO MANY JOBS AND NOT ENOUGH COFFEE!! ;) the combination can result in the sleepwalking syndrome!! LOL !! APPEAR TO BE AWAKE BUT YOUR BRAIN IS "SLEEPING" without you!! It does have the metalic patches though just can't see them in the pic, blusher, maybe he's embarrased too!!
No need to be sorry... ;D...I think Willie crossed one of my Koi that was 'het' for pb ...he got a few pb Koi.....they won't pop the blue much with the Gm genes working....
It wasn't just you lol I didn't want to call you out and yea she does have metallic ;D trust me I've had MANY of those sleep walking moments and it's even worse because I HATE coffee :o
Quote from: lanieree on September 24, 2014, 09:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 23, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
Uhhhh, ??? ??? was that me :-[ ?? When all you have in your brain are BLUES ...LOL!! TOO MANY JOBS AND NOT ENOUGH COFFEE!! ;) the combination can result in the sleepwalking syndrome!! LOL !! APPEAR TO BE AWAKE BUT YOUR BRAIN IS "SLEEPING" without you!! It does have the metalic patches though just can't see them in the pic, blusher, maybe he's embarrased too!!
No need to be sorry... ;D...I think Willie crossed one of my Koi that was 'het' for pb ...he got a few pb Koi.....they won't pop the blue much with the Gm genes working....
Yes I do have a couple of Koi Paraiba. Never heard of it until Jon gave me the geno and I plugged it into the calculator. They came from a Koi x Smokey Paraiba pairing. I think the smokey is het for gold. 8)
Quote from: wsantia1 on September 24, 2014, 09:50:04 AM
Quote from: lanieree on September 24, 2014, 09:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 23, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
Uhhhh, ??? ??? was that me :-[ ?? When all you have in your brain are BLUES ...LOL!! TOO MANY JOBS AND NOT ENOUGH COFFEE!! ;) the combination can result in the sleepwalking syndrome!! LOL !! APPEAR TO BE AWAKE BUT YOUR BRAIN IS "SLEEPING" without you!! It does have the metalic patches though just can't see them in the pic, blusher, maybe he's embarrased too!!
No need to be sorry... ;D...I think Willie crossed one of my Koi that was 'het' for pb ...he got a few pb Koi.....they won't pop the blue much with the Gm genes working....
Yes I do have a couple of Koi Paraiba. Never heard of it until Jon gave me the geno and I plugged it into the calculator. They came from a Koi x Smokey Paraiba pairing. I think the smokey is het for gold. 8)
So it's possible to have a koi parabia?
Ok just to clear I few things up for the "New_b"
pb= Philippine blue
het= heterozygous
Correct?
What does std and gm mean?
I have a lot to learn, but I'll get there in the meantime I'll be bombarding you all with questions ;)
Anyone know of a some good reads to help with angel genetics, colors, all that good stuff?
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 24, 2014, 04:57:22 PM
Quote from: wsantia1 on September 24, 2014, 09:50:04 AM
Quote from: lanieree on September 24, 2014, 09:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: New_b0401 on September 23, 2014, 08:03:26 AM
Quote from: Mugwump on September 23, 2014, 07:07:56 AM
Looks to be a std Koi....the word Pariaba is only used to describe a Philippine blue with 2 stripeless genes....
Sorry was taking someone else's word for it ::)
Uhhhh, ??? ??? was that me :-[ ?? When all you have in your brain are BLUES ...LOL!! TOO MANY JOBS AND NOT ENOUGH COFFEE!! ;) the combination can result in the sleepwalking syndrome!! LOL !! APPEAR TO BE AWAKE BUT YOUR BRAIN IS "SLEEPING" without you!! It does have the metalic patches though just can't see them in the pic, blusher, maybe he's embarrased too!!
No need to be sorry... ;D...I think Willie crossed one of my Koi that was 'het' for pb ...he got a few pb Koi.....they won't pop the blue much with the Gm genes working....
Yes I do have a couple of Koi Paraiba. Never heard of it until Jon gave me the geno and I plugged it into the calculator. They came from a Koi x Smokey Paraiba pairing. I think the smokey is het for gold. 8)
So it's possible to have a koi parabia?
Ok just to clear I few things up for the "New_b"
pb= Philippine blue
het= heterozygous
Correct?
What does std and gm mean?
I have a lot to learn, but I'll get there in the meantime I'll be bombarding you all with questions ;)
Anyone know of a some good reads to help with angel genetics, colors, all that good stuff?
Gm/Gm S/S pb/pb..or Gm/g S/S pb/pb.....= pb Koi pariaba.....
het= heterozygous.....one copy of a gene on a loci
homogeneous= two copies of a gene on a loci
Ten active loci at this time..
1) Dark, Marble, gold Marble, gold
2) Zebra, Stripless
3) Smokey
4) Half Black
5) Albino
6) Blue
7) Veil
8) Pearlscale
9) Streaked
10) Philippine Blue
Dark (D) incomplete dominant, Gold (g) recessive and Marble (M) incomplete dominant
Dominate genes are indicated with a capitol letter and the first in the bracket. ex: Stripless - Ghost: S/+ Generally dominate genes express with heterozygous traits.
Recessive genes are indicated with a lower case letter and are second in the bracket. ex: Albino (het) +/a Generally recessive genes do not express in heterozygous form, only in homozygous form.
Heterozygous: One gene (het)
Homozygous: two genes
Some genes do not show unless the fish is homozygous for the gene
Geneotype: What genes the fish carries
Phenotype: What you see as expression as far as color, pattern, and/or finnage.
To this day, there are not any gender specific traits that have been found.
Veiltail
Standard (short fin): +/+
Veil: V/+
Superveil: V/V
Pearlscale:
Flat scales: +/p
Bubble-like Scales: p/p
Smokey
Smokey: Sm/+
Chocolate: SM/SM
Half Black
Silver: +/h
Half Black: h/h
Albino
Silver: +/a
Albino: a/a
Stripeless
Ghost: S/+
Blushing: S/S
Zebra
Z/+
Z/Z double dose or DD
Philippine Blue
Silver: +/pb
Blue: pb/pb
Dark (black)
Lace: D/+
Black or Double Dark (DD): D/D
Marble
M/+
M/M
Gold Marble
Silver Gold Marble: Gm/+
Gold Marble: Gm/Gm
Quote from: Mugwump on September 24, 2014, 05:27:42 PM
Gm/Gm S/S pb/pb..or Gm/g S/S pb/pb.....= pb Koi pariaba.....
het= heterozygous.....one copy of a gene on a loci
homogeneous= two copies of a gene on a loci
Ten active loci at this time..
1) Dark, Marble, gold Marble, gold
2) Zebra, Stripless
3) Smokey
4) Half Black
5) Albino
6) Blue
7) Veil
8) Pearlscale
9) Streaked
10) Philippine Blue
Dark (D) incomplete dominant, Gold (g) recessive and Marble (M) incomplete dominant
Dominate genes are indicated with a capitol letter and the first in the bracket. ex: Stripless - Ghost: S/+ Generally dominate genes express with heterozygous traits.
Recessive genes are indicated with a lower case letter and are second in the bracket. ex: Albino (het) +/a Generally recessive genes do not express in heterozygous form, only in homozygous form.
Heterozygous: One gene (het)
Homozygous: two genes
Some genes do not show unless the fish is homozygous for the gene
Geneotype: What genes the fish carries
Phenotype: What you see as expression as far as color, pattern, and/or finnage.
To this day, there are not any gender specific traits that have been found.
Veiltail
Standard (short fin): +/+
Veil: V/+
Superveil: V/V
Pearlscale:
Flat scales: +/p
Bubble-like Scales: p/p
Smokey
Smokey: Sm/+
Chocolate: SM/SM
Half Black
Silver: +/h
Half Black: h/h
Albino
Silver: +/a
Albino: a/a
Stripeless
Ghost: S/+
Blushing: S/S
Zebra
Z/+
Z/Z double dose or DD
Philippine Blue
Silver: +/pb
Blue: pb/pb
Dark (black)
Lace: D/+
Black or Double Dark (DD): D/D
Marble
M/+
M/M
Gold Marble
Silver Gold Marble: Gm/+
Gold Marble: Gm/Gm
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Thank you so much this really helped! I'll have to read a little closer to wrap my head around it but I get the idea. I took a genetics class so I know how they work I was just unaware of what types of genetics angels have. I actually get paid to figure out genetics for a horse breeding farm in the area. ::) I love playing with genetics!!! ;)