A silly question from an ignorant breeder

[LizStreithorst]

My Veil HB male X standard Blue Silver fry are about nickle size now.  I expected no HBs  among them and I have none, although I see some nice black dorsals, ventrals, and tails.  These will be my keepers.

I wonder about this...These kids look different from my usual unturned HB kids, but I don't see Blue.  I wouldn't see blue unless the blue gene were a gradual thing, which I seriously doubt.  It's just a plain old recessive and takes two generations from an outcross to non blue to show up, right?

Somehow these kids look different...cleaner somehow.  It might be because I see no spots on their bodies or it might be something else. 

I need input from a knowledgeable kind person.

[Mugwump]

My Veil HB male X standard Blue Silver fry are about nickle size now.  I expected no HBs  among them and I have none, although I see some nice black dorsals, ventrals, and tails.  These will be my keepers.

I wonder about this...These kids look different from my usual unturned HB kids, but I don't see Blue.  I wouldn't see blue unless the blue gene were a gradual thing, which I seriously doubt.  It's just a plain old recessive and takes two generations from an outcross to non blue to show up, right?

Somehow these kids look different...cleaner somehow.  It might be because I see no spots on their bodies or it might be something else. 

I need input from a knowledgeable kind person.

They should basically look like silvers....

You should have all fry which are 'het' for 'h' and 'het' for 'pb'...........half should be veils. Any sibling cross will give you

6.25%   h/h - pb/pb - Blue Halfblack
12.5%   +/h - Silver
12.5%   +/pb - Silver
6.25%   h/h - Halfblack
6.25%   pb/pb - Blue Silver
12.5%   +/h - pb/pb - Blue Silver ....cross back, or sibling pair up
25.0%   +/h - +/pb - Silver
12.5%   h/h - +/pb - Halfblack....cross back, or sibling pair up
6.25%   +/+ - Silver

[LizStreithorst]

thank you dear sir.  It's kinda what I figured. I wasn't expecting HB blues from the initial cross.  It was just that these kids looked somehow different than my usual unturned HB kids. It must be due to the total outcross.  I will keep a close eye on the second generation and grow them out to big.  I want the 6.25%.  My first generation are small, but breeding to reach a goal takes time.

[LizStreithorst]

They pissed me off.   I didn't expect this pair to raise their kids when I moved them from the community tank to a love nest.  They spawned again yesterday.  The eggs were still on the cone this morning and after I got home from work this afternoon,  Now, at WC time all the eggs are gone.  I hate pulling the cone or removing the parents.  I hate stupid pairs.  If you're not smart enough to raise you're own kids you don't deserve to have them

I'll feel much better after I do WC.

[Mugwump]

They pissed me off.   I didn't expect this pair to raise their kids when I moved them from the community tank to a love nest.  They spawned again yesterday.  The eggs were still on the cone this morning and after I got home from work this afternoon,  Now, at WC time all the eggs are gone.  I hate pulling the cone or removing the parents.  I hate stupid pairs.  If you're not smart enough to raise you're own kids you don't deserve to have them

I'll feel much better after I do WC.

....did they move them maybe??

[LizStreithorst]

I doubt it.  They were still eggs, and hadn't start to even think about wiggling.  Next time I'll pull the male.  The female came from Ed and he said that she had raised kids.  I guess I'll find out....

[LizStreithorst]

Forgive me.  This is the pair I meant to post about. http://www.mugwump-fish-world.com//index.php?topic=6222.0  The veil HB pair and Blue Silver are totally hopeless.  I have a huge batch of fry from them but of course I had to pull the cone.