Edward Snowden: No Regrets Two Years After First NSA Leaks

[BallAquatics]

https://redmondmag.com/blogs/the-schwartz-report/2015/06/edward-snowden-no-regrets.aspx

Dennis

[LizStreithorst]

I consider myself to be strong and honorable but I don't think I'd have had the guts to do what he did.

[BillT]

I think of him as a modern hero.
Some people say some stuff he released had bad effects and was in effect treasonous, however, you have to consider the source of those statements and the facts used to support them.

Its just too bad that it took so long for people to realize what was going on.

I knew (as did many) when they passed the "patriot" bill that door was open for things like that and there was little in the way to stop it.
Then they put a guy in charge who had said a few years before that he wanted to collect all available info.

[Mugwump]

I think of him as a modern hero.
Some people say some stuff he released had bad effects and was in effect treasonous, however, you have to consider the source of those statements and the facts used to support them.

Its just too bad that it took so long for people to realize what was going on.

I knew (as did many) when they passed the "patriot" bill that door was open for things like that and there was little in the way to stop it.
Then they put a guy in charge who had said a few years before that he wanted to collect all available info.

I admire his 'moxie' and the things that he exposed were obviously questionable practices...but I'll stop short of calling him a real patriot. A real patriot stands and fights for what he believes in, and doesn't run to the opposition for support and safety.  I'm sure he knows more than what he exposed, is he capable of holding these things in the arms of his new found Russian hosts? ..or is he at 'home' now. Speculative, yes.....but with support here on his side, why not return? With the eyes of America, and the world watching, I can't foresee him being mistreated. Wouldn't open proceedings allow him to tell the rest of his tale?

[BillT]

If he came back now, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

If he said he was going to do lease these things before he left the country, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

[LizStreithorst]

If he came back now, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

If he said he was going to do lease these things before he left the country, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

IMO you are absolutely correct.  The guy did what he believed to be the right thing despite the fact that the only country who will not deport him in is Russia.  Not the greatest  outcome for him nor for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[Mugwump]

If he came back now, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

If he said he was going to do lease these things before he left the country, they would throw him in jail and not let anyone see him.

Yes, there's that possibility.....but he even broke his conditions for staying in Russia(Putin) by revealing more, and more information. The NSA data was one thing, but other on going operations were revealed putting lives in jeopardy.....the NSA data needed to be brought forward, yes....but he has shown no discretion with his exposing these other things.....I have a problem with that.....but we'll just have to wait and see how it all shakes out, I guess? He's got himself in a predicament.

[BillT]

He's got himself in a predicament.

Well, that's for sure!

[BallAquatics]

https://youtu.be/6yYYuBCfzh4

Dennis

[LizStreithorst]

Good interview.  Thanks, Dennis.  Sometimes I regret no longer having a TV.

[Mugwump]

Good flick, Dennis...like I said, I agree about what we know was revealed, but I'm also concerned that what we don't know what may, or may not, have been uncovered and revealed, and to whom it may have been revealed ...... there's more to all of this than I think we're being made aware of presently...

[BallAquatics]

...... there's more to all of this than I think we're being made aware of presently...

Agreed.  They know much more, or at least they are making public, much more in Europe than is on the news here.....

https://youtu.be/9CqVYUOjHLw

Just another example of why we are universally hated around the world.  Just seems like yesterday Obama was talking about transparency.

Dennis

[Mugwump]

LOL...the Europeans are guilty of it too......pot calling the kettle black.....they all know too...it's only when someone gets caught that they feign being offended, and surprised....LOL


Obama??....surely you jest?....this has been going on for long before you or I were even born...Reagan escalated it a bit around the fall of 'the wall'....Bush Sr. was CIA, and used it too...think middle east.....Roosevelt, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon....J Edgar....this is nothing new....just out in the open now...the public just accepted it, now the can't....

[LizStreithorst]

The Europeans don't have the resources that the US has.  Yes everyone has been spying forever, but not on the general public.  This is different.  Big Brother is watching me. I agree with Hypponen we should be pissed because this is rude.  It should not be allowed.

[Mugwump]

The Europeans don't have the resources that the US has.  Yes everyone has been spying forever, but not on the general public.  This is different.  Big Brother is watching me. I agree with Hypponen we should be pissed because this is rude.  It should not be allowed.

The Europeans don't spy on the public....

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2015/05/26/europe-catching-up-to-us-in-spying-on-the-public.html

and Germany/Britain have been doing it for years too, Liz. They all spy on the public and each other too.