PB Marble vines....

[Mugwump]

More are up now, with many more to go.... ..the 'ball' has flattened out...they should all be up by later today for sure. I did give them a little 'poof' with the baster this am to get em started tho..
They've been enjoying that group grope long enough..

[Mugwump]

Looks like about 3/4 are up now...there are still a bunch balled in the lower right corner that the vid doesn't catch...there are more fry at the top too. than the vid shows..the darker fry don't pic up well at all.....I feel like a kid again watching the fry emerge....he he...neat little things...

[PaulineMi]

All those little fry full of potential.....that is so neat.

[Mugwump]

I get this big grin every time I watch them....   waiting to see what this pair will produce, phenotype wise, will drive me nuts......

[LizStreithorst]

I want to know in a big way, too

[PaulineMi]

I get this big grin every time I watch them....   waiting to see what this pair will produce, phenotype wise, will drive me buts......

Drive you "buts"....?   

[Mugwump]

I get this big grin every time I watch them....   waiting to see what this pair will produce, phenotype wise, will drive me buts......

Drive you "buts"....?   

surely an excited typo..

[LizStreithorst]

I figured out that you weren't talking about fish butts   I'm excited about them too, although I just want blue marbles with zebra or without.  I want to know what you find in the others so I'll have a clue of what might be hiding in mine.  At what size can you be sure what their phenotype?  I know that it often takes a good while before I see the PS gene express. 

[Mugwump]

I figured out that you weren't talking about fish butts   I'm excited about them too, although I just want blue marbles with zebra or without.  I want to know what you find in the others so I'll have a clue of what might be hiding in mine.  At what size can you be sure what their phenotype?  I know that it often takes a good while before I see the PS gene express.

by dime/nickel, I should have somewhat of an idea....by quarter for sure....there isn't much blue but the headlights early, then the marbles might get a light tan look before exploding in blue...it's the marble markings that I'll be interested in.....my Plat marbles had a gm gene, I'm hoping these do too....the blue should be better....if the zebra gene pops up, I believe it will on a few, then they blue should be even better.....a marble gene would be great too....so markings and coloring will be the clues...

I've been tinkering with calculator for possibilities, or should I say wishful thinking...
....I'll be plenty satisfied with whatever...because of sibling crosses, or crosses to a PB smokey, PB leopard, or Pinoy clown....oh the possibilities...

[LizStreithorst]

I'll have the PS gene if you want it, you know   Can you show me some of the things the genetics calculator says from your wishful thinking?  I can read a little Greek, but it helps to have the English translation  

I'll pretty much be working with my batch by the seat of my pants.  I know it's not the way a knowable person would do it, but it has worked for me with both show goats and HB PS Angels.  I try my best to learn more but my way has worked for me so far:-\

[Mugwump]

I'll have the PS gene if you want it, you know   Can you show me some of the things the genetics calculator says from your wishful thinking?  I can read a little Greek, but it helps to have the English translation  

I'll pretty much be working with my batch by the seat of my pants.  I know it's not the way a knowable person would do it, but it has worked for me with both show goats and HB PS Angels.  I try my best to learn more but my way has worked for me so far:-\

Maybe something like this???

M/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Marble
M/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Marble Paraiba Veil

6.25%   Gm/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Koi Paraiba Veil
6.25%   Gm/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - V/+ - Blue Gold Marble(dd) Veil
12.5%   M/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - V/+ - Blue Marble Veil
6.25%   M/M - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Marble(dd)
6.25%   Gm/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Gold Marble(dd)
6.25%   Gm/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - Koi Paraiba
6.25%   M/M - S/Z - pb/pb - V/+ - Blue Marble(dd) Veil
12.5%   M/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Marble
12.5%   M/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - Marble Paraiba
12.5%   M/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Marble Paraiba Veil
6.25%   M/M - S/S - pb/pb - Marble(dd) Paraiba
6.25%   M/M - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Marble(dd) Paraiba Veil

[PaulineMi]

Just for the record I have to have veils, no kois, ideally a blue marble, a marble paraiba and a surprise one.   

[Mugwump]

Just for the record I have to have veils, no kois, ideally a blue marble, a marble paraiba and a surprise one.   

Just for the record...where it says 'Koi' disregard....it's a Blue marble pariaba ;-)
and....that above was just a guess...I really don't have a concrete idea of what the parents carry....
so stay tuned,,,

[LizStreithorst]

I'm worse than Pauline.  I don't want anything that appears to have gold in it.  GM is gold marble, right?  GM is in my M/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Marble  and M/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Marble Paraiba Veil's!

Why do the M/M - S/Z's and  M/M - S/S - pb/pb have to be dd?  That seem a bit unfair

[Mugwump]

I'm worse than Pauline.  I don't want anything that appears to have gold in it.  GM is gold marble, right?  GM is in my M/Gm - S/Z - pb/pb - Blue Marble  and M/Gm - S/S - pb/pb - V/+ - Marble Paraiba Veil's!

Why do the M/M - S/Z's and  M/M - S/S - pb/pb have to be dd?  That seem a bit unfair

Well folks, the pair is, what it is....there will likely be either a gold, or Gm gene involved, the gene has a marble for marbling and a gold with it for blue enhancement...If I don't see any 'Plats', then no separate gold. The difference between the Gm/Gm and M/M should be apparent visually by blue expression and the quality/quantity of the marble barring....the M/M marbles being darker, and the Gm/Gm marbles being bluer???....
Hence when the fry are discernible in markings, color etc...It should be more apparent of what the parents truly have, gene wise.  As far as 'custom' picks of the lot....LOL...good luck.....the laws of genetics fall where they may......what if there's no Gm in them at all???.....