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Bulgarian Seal Points
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:00:51 PM »
I have a BSP/Blue Silver Het for bg pair. She is a niece. I just moved a spawn from a 10 gallon to a 45 and did a count.
Bulgarian Seal Point - 7
Platinum Seal Point - 7
Lace Pinoy (D/+) - 5
Hybrid Pinoy (D/g) - 4
Blue Silver - 5
Platinum - 4
This is a typical spawn size for this pair, nowhere near the 2-3 hundred I am used to. This is the only pair I have spawning now.  Have lots of older ones, both hets and BSPs, but they seem very reluctant to spawn. Some are 14 months old.  I am beginning to worry that the Seal Point line may go away due to lack of breeding.  I have been putting "Possible pairs" together in spawning tanks but so far no action.  As long as this pair keeps spawning I am getting a steady supply of "Hopefuls", but they aren't going to keep it up forever.
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2019, 03:23:25 PM »
I have a BSP/Blue Silver Het for bg pair. She is a niece. I just moved a spawn from a 10 gallon to a 45 and did a count.
Bulgarian Seal Point - 7
Platinum Seal Point - 7
Lace Pinoy (D/+) - 5
Hybrid Pinoy (D/g) - 4
Blue Silver - 5
Platinum - 4
This is a typical spawn size for this pair, nowhere near the 2-3 hundred I am used to. This is the only pair I have spawning now.  Have lots of older ones, both hets and BSPs, but they seem very reluctant to spawn. Some are 14 months old.  I am beginning to worry that the Seal Point line may go away due to lack of breeding.  I have been putting "Possible pairs" together in spawning tanks but so far no action.  As long as this pair keeps spawning I am getting a steady supply of "Hopefuls", but they aren't going to keep it up forever.

..yes, I agree.....they seem to be a real delicate strain......nerve racking delicate too....
Jon

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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2019, 05:46:22 PM »
They are just driving me crazy.  They look healthy and strong but just aren't interested in spawning. A few female-female het spawnings and that is it.  That must be common for the strain.  If I ever could get a couple spawning pairs I would do some crosses to try to get some strength back into the line. That and sell of the excess that I have. There have been quite a few imported and as far as I know no-one is selling any in the US. Besides Joel of course.  You would think there would be a lot more of them out there than there are.  Right now I think Joel and I are the only ones that have had spawns from them other than the lady in Oregon who eventually lost all hers.
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2019, 05:57:20 PM »
They are just driving me crazy.  They look healthy and strong but just aren't interested in spawning. A few female-female het spawnings and that is it.  That must be common for the strain.  If I ever could get a couple spawning pairs I would do some crosses to try to get some strength back into the line. That and sell of the excess that I have. There have been quite a few imported and as far as I know no-one is selling any in the US. Besides Joel of course.  You would think there would be a lot more of them out there than there are.  Right now I think Joel and I are the only ones that have had spawns from them other than the lady in Oregon who eventually lost all hers.

...hopefully I'll join you two soon......today I saw his tube down a bit....and she freak'n has to be ready... ;)
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2019, 07:04:27 PM »
I hope you guys find out soon. I have a funky bunch of angels that have seal point traits that I know nothing about except that they came from Europe. They have a reddish hue but are definitely not Koi. huh
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2019, 07:49:40 PM »
I hope you guys find out soon. I have a funky bunch of angels that have seal point traits that I know nothing about except that they came from Europe. They have a reddish hue but are definitely not Koi. huh

(D/Gm - S/S - bg/bg).... +/pb and pb/pb is possible.

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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2019, 08:10:01 PM »
Hmmm!!!  I can't wait to breed them.
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2019, 08:53:07 AM »
Nice looking Angels.  Put me on the list for some babies when you get some.
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2019, 10:25:18 AM »
Nice looking Angels.  Put me on the list for some babies when you get some.

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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 12:19:29 PM »
I hope you guys find out soon. I have a funky bunch of angels that have seal point traits that I know nothing about except that they came from Europe. They have a reddish hue but are definitely not Koi. huh

(D/Gm - S/S - bg/bg).... +/pb and pb/pb is possible.



Could they be Gm/Gm,S/S,bg/bg?  I have some KOI, it would only take me two years to find out. LOL
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 01:07:28 PM »
I think you'll need a 'D' for that bsp look in the fins....
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 11:12:57 PM »
That is possible, but the black in the Gm might be enough. Might be a worth while cross if I ever get any to breed.
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2019, 05:36:58 PM »
Only One way to find out...if you want to do the project...Koi x Platinum Sealpoint. That would give you Gm/Gm (or Gm/+) s/s bg/bg....after you cross their babies. I think the bg/bg alone can give the fins a slightly darker tint...like the platinum Sealpoint. Or maybe like you said...the Gm will add to get darker fins.

I have a BSP that is paired up with one of the Tancho Super Red. That one will give me the D/gm s/s bg/bg (in both pb/pb and +/pb)....and albino counterparts.....after 2 years....if the fu&#ers decide to lay eggs...lol
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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2019, 06:52:33 PM »
Only One way to find out...if you want to do the project...Koi x Platinum Sealpoint. That would give you Gm/Gm (or Gm/+) s/s bg/bg....after you cross their babies. I think the bg/bg alone can give the fins a slightly darker tint...like the platinum Sealpoint. Or maybe like you said...the Gm will add to get darker fins.

I have a BSP that is paired up with one of the Tancho Super Red. That one will give me the D/gm s/s bg/bg (in both pb/pb and +/pb)....and albino counterparts.....after 2 years....if the fu&#ers decide to lay eggs...lol

...that would be Gm/Gm (or Gm/g) s/s bg/bg....right?
Jon

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Re: Bulgarian Seal Points
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2019, 07:02:33 PM »
Maybe...to retain the dark fins as they mature. I can only guess at this time.  2c2 huh

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