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Started by BallAquatics, July 07, 2015, 02:18:34 PM

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GraphicGr8s

Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?
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Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

I sure do....you can go to certain sections of most any major city and get shot at....I can go down to Chicago, Mexico City, Juarez, Tijuana, LA, etc and feel perfectly safe...you just don't go to where the 'Do-Do birds' are........by the by, Tampa/ St. Pete/ Miami, etc. aren't much better, eh?....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

ghonk

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

Same old ridiculous argument,SEE  they have tough gun laws and still have crime.

GraphicGr8s

John, Tampa/St. Pete isn't even in the top 25.
There is no such thing as MTS.
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: ghonk on January 07, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

Same old ridiculous argument,SEE  they have tough gun laws and still have crime.

Greg we are not talking about crime in general. We are talking about guns and shootings in general with regard to gun control in particular.
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
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There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

GraphicGr8s

Quote from: Mugwump on January 07, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

I sure do....you can go to certain sections of most any major city and get shot at....I can go down to Chicago, Mexico City, Juarez, Tijuana, LA, etc and feel perfectly safe...you just don't go to where the 'Do-Do birds' are........by the by, Tampa/ St. Pete/ Miami, etc. aren't much better, eh?....

Mexico has experienced increasingly high crime rates, especially in major urban centers. The country's great economic polarization has stimulated criminal activity in the lower socioeconomic strata, which include the majority of the country's population. Crime continues at high levels, and is repeatedly marked by violence, especially in the cities of Tijuana and Ciudad Ju?rez, and the states of Baja California, Durango, Sinaloa, Guerrero, Chihuahua, Michoac?n, Tamaulipas, and Nuevo Le?n.[1] Other metropolitan areas have lower, yet still serious, levels of crime. Low apprehension and conviction rates contribute to the high crime rate.

Crime Threats

Tijuana is a very large metropolitan city with an ever-present, very real crime problem. Pickpockets and purse snatchers are common and mostly occur in large crowds, on public transportation, and at tourist attractions. Credit card fraud, ATM card, and telephone card fraud is common. Tijuana is a highly strategic location for narcotic and human trafficking, and violent crime continues to be a part of everyday life.
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GraphicGr8s

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all

Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city?s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
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There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
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ghonk

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: ghonk on January 07, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

Same old ridiculous argument,SEE  they have tough gun laws and still have crime.

Greg we are not talking about crime in general. We are talking about guns and shootings in general with regard to gun control in particular.

So you don't think tough gun laws HELPS  keep the guns out of the criminals hands.

GraphicGr8s

I just love this article from Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-06/the-problem-with-using-chicago-to-make-the-case-against-gun-control

QuoteBut advocates for tougher restrictions say Trump?s and Christie?s arguments do not take into account two key features of the Chicago's gun landscape. The first is that, though it?s hard to get a gun in Chicago, it?s much easier to get one in the city?s immediate vicinity. The second feature is the city?s high level of gang activity, and that gangs are both adept at procuring guns illegally and prone to involvement in shooting incidents.

So what they are in effect saying is that it is really easy to get a gun illegally in Chicago. Unless you want to do it legally. The stupid is strong in this article. The only thing the laws do is keep guns out of the hands of those that want them legally. The criminal doesn't care about the law or they wouldn't be a criminal.
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

GraphicGr8s

Quote from: ghonk on January 07, 2016, 09:56:45 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: ghonk on January 07, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah Jon. Chicago. Some of the toughest gun laws in the land. Mexico has the toughest in the world. You feel all warm, fuzzy and safe in either of those two spots?

Same old ridiculous argument,SEE  they have tough gun laws and still have crime.

Greg we are not talking about crime in general. We are talking about guns and shootings in general with regard to gun control in particular.

So you don't think tough gun laws HELPS  keep the guns out of the criminals hands.



The only way it would help is if criminals obeyed the law. If they obeyed the law they wouldn't be criminals now would they?
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

Mugwump

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 09:51:37 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all

Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city?s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.


Read real news, G....

Chicago murders up this year..


read real stats too....
http://heyjackass.com/

Yup, south Chicago is a gang nightmare....but you have no clue how bad from all the chosen media that you choose to read.....your preaching to the choir



Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

GraphicGr8s

Jon, not sure what the political slant of the first two are at all:

http://www.illinoismirror.com/one-year-after-concealed-carry-chicago-homicide-rate-plunges-to-56-year-low/

QuoteJust a year ago, Illinois finally became the last state in the nation to legalize concealed carry, albeit at a heavily regulated, watered-down basic level. In addition to stipulating dozens of gun-free zones, the Illinois law also prices permits at $600 and requires 16 hours of training ? adversely affecting people in low-income areas that are most susceptible to crime and gun violence (vs. $70 for those below the poverty line and four to six hours of training in Texas).
Still, very few in the Illinois media have bothered to report that the Chicago crime rate has dropped while conceal-carry permits have surged ? directly contradicting predictions that the opposite would happen. The city?s homicide rate has now plummeted to a 56-year low since the concealed-carry law was enacted:
Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city?s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

?It isn?t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don?t know who?s armed and who isn?t has a deterrence effect,? said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. ?The police department hasn?t changed a single tactic ? they haven?t announced a shift in policy or of course ? and yet you have these incredible numbers.?

http://truthinmedia.com/crime-rates-in-chicago-plummet-after-il-implements-concealed-carry/

I do know that NBC is historically left wing.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Crime-Reaches-Historic-Low-in-2014-287282501.html

QuoteChicago closed 2014 with what police said were ?historic lows? in crime and murder numbers.
The year saw a drop of 3 percent in murders, marking the lowest murder rate since 1965, when there were 397, according to Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy.

The one question I would have Jon about your chart is: "How many of those murders were committed with legally obtained and owned guns?"
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

Mugwump

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
Jon, not sure what the political slant of the first two are at all:

http://www.illinoismirror.com/one-year-after-concealed-carry-chicago-homicide-rate-plunges-to-56-year-low/

QuoteJust a year ago, Illinois finally became the last state in the nation to legalize concealed carry, albeit at a heavily regulated, watered-down basic level. In addition to stipulating dozens of gun-free zones, the Illinois law also prices permits at $600 and requires 16 hours of training ? adversely affecting people in low-income areas that are most susceptible to crime and gun violence (vs. $70 for those below the poverty line and four to six hours of training in Texas).
Still, very few in the Illinois media have bothered to report that the Chicago crime rate has dropped while conceal-carry permits have surged ? directly contradicting predictions that the opposite would happen. The city?s homicide rate has now plummeted to a 56-year low since the concealed-carry law was enacted:
Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city?s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

?It isn?t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don?t know who?s armed and who isn?t has a deterrence effect,? said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. ?The police department hasn?t changed a single tactic ? they haven?t announced a shift in policy or of course ? and yet you have these incredible numbers.?

http://truthinmedia.com/crime-rates-in-chicago-plummet-after-il-implements-concealed-carry/

I do know that NBC is historically left wing.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Crime-Reaches-Historic-Low-in-2014-287282501.html

QuoteChicago closed 2014 with what police said were ?historic lows? in crime and murder numbers.
The year saw a drop of 3 percent in murders, marking the lowest murder rate since 1965, when there were 397, according to Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy.

The one question I would have Jon about your chart is: "How many of those murders were committed with legally obtained and owned guns?"

I image those numbers are out there...but it's no consequence to the fact that to dead it's a mute point...

Slant?... huh   facts have no slant.....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

GraphicGr8s

Maybe if there weren't so many shooting ranges aka gun free zones there wouldn't be as many dead. Again look at the Seattle Mall shooter when faced with an opposing gun. No shots were fired by the legal carrier and he still offed himself saving many lives. What would have been the result in Sandy Hook if a teacher, armed and properly trained, were there to take out that scum sucker?

What facts the media choose to leave out or include however slants the results.

There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

Mugwump

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on January 07, 2016, 11:52:12 AM
Maybe if there weren't so many shooting ranges aka gun free zones there wouldn't be as many dead. Again look at the Seattle Mall shooter when faced with an opposing gun. No shots were fired by the legal carrier and he still offed himself saving many lives. What would have been the result in Sandy Hook if a teacher, armed and properly trained, were there to take out that scum sucker?

What facts the media choose to leave out or include however slants the results.

It all comes back to the facts......the media are drama whores anymore.....they'll say anything that sells...

Woulda coulda shouda is also a mute point....he never should have even got those weapons....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson