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How long before it's us?

Started by BallAquatics, July 07, 2015, 02:18:34 PM

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LizStreithorst

What kills me is when the candidates are expected to answer "What would you do about Syria?" in a 30 second soundbite.  Like Bernie said, Syria is a mess inside a mess inside a mess....
Always move forward. Never look back.

Mugwump

This is not good at all.........

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Turkey has begun a defacto blockade of Russian naval vessels, preventing transit through the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus, between the Black Sea and Mediterranean.
According to the AIS tracking system for the movement of maritime vessels, only Turkish vessels are moving along the Bosphorus, and in the Dardanelles there is no movement of any shipping at all.
At the same time, both from the Black Sea, and from the Mediterranean Sea, there is a small cluster of ships under the Russian flag, just sitting and waiting. The image below shows the situation with the ships using the GPS transponder onboard each vessel:
In addition, shipping inside the Black Sea from Novorossiisk and Sevastopol in the direction of the Bosphorus, no Russian vessels are moving. This indirectly confirms the a CNN statement that Turkey may have blocked the movement of Russian ships on the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus.
There is a Treaty specifically covering the use of these waterways by nations of the world. That Treaty is the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits.
It is a 1936 agreement that gives Turkey control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles and regulates the transit of naval warships. The Convention gives Turkey full control over the Straits and guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime. It restricts the passage of naval ships not belonging to Black Sea states. The terms of the convention have been the source of controversy over the years, most notably concerning the Soviet Union's military access to the Mediterranean Sea.
Signed on 20 July 1936 at the Montreux Palace in Switzerland, it permitted Turkey to remilitarise the Straits. It went into effect on 9 November 1936 and was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on 11 December 1936. It is still in force today, with some amendments.
The Convention consists of 29 Articles, four annexes and one protocol. Articles 2?7 consider the passage of merchant ships. Articles 8?22 consider the passage of war vessels. The key principle of freedom of passage and navigation is stated in articles 1 and 2. Article 1 provides that "The High Contracting Parties recognize and affirm the principle of freedom of passage and navigation by sea in the Straits". Article 2 states that "In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag with any kind of cargo."
The International Straits Commission was abolished, authorizing the full resumption of Turkish military control over the Straits and the refortification of the Dardanelles. Turkey was authorized to close the Straits to all foreign warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it was authorized to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at war with Turkey.
Turkey has now invoked its power, but has not publicly stated whether they are blocking Russian Naval Vessels because Turkey is "threatened with aggression" or whether Turkey considers itself to be "at war." Last week, Turkey shot down a Russian military jet over Syria and this has caused a major rift between the two nations.
This latest development of blockading Russian naval vessels is a massive and terrifyingly dangerous development. Blockading Russia and preventing its Black Sea fleet from traveling to the rest of the world, or back to its home port, is something that will not sit well with the Russians.
Earlier today, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the deployment of 150,000 Russian troops and equipment into Syria, but then ALSO ordered the deployment of 7,000 additional Russian Troops, tanks, rocket launchers and artillery, to the Russian Border of Turkey at Armenia, with orders to be "fully combat ready."

It is important to note two things:
1) Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) as is the United States and most of Europe, AND;
2) Turkey took the first shot at Russia when they intentionally shot down a Russian jet last week.
It is important to remember these facts because, as a NATO member, Turkey can invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty which requires all NATO members to come to its defense if Turkey is "attacked." So if Russia decides to fight back against Turkey downing its military jet, the Turks might call NATO and claim they've been "attacked" thereby calling-up NATO forces to go to war against Russia.
It bears remembering, however, that Turkey shot first. Turkey was the nation which "attacked."
Before NATO and the world get dragged into a war between Russia and Turkey, the citizens of the world must be ready to remind our leaders that Turkey Shot First.
Why did the Turks shoot? Because Turkey has been allowing the terrorist group ISIS to sell the oil it has stolen from countries it is conquering. The oil is transported from the wells in countries where ISIS has seized power, is taken by truck to Turkey, and is then sold at cheap prices on the black market.
This black market selling results in over 1 Million dollars per DAY flowing into ISIS to keep it equipped and supplied for its ongoing terrorist activities. Only a fool would think that all this is going on through Turkey, without some Turkish officials having their hands out for money from the illegal oil sales. Put simply, Turkey appears to be in business with ISIS and Russia is harming that by attacking ISIS in Syria.
So Turkey shot down one of the Russian planes that was attacking ISIS. Russia is quite furious; with the Russian President stating the shoot down was "a stab in the back of Russia" and was carried out by "accomplices to terrorism."
It would be shocking if NATO were to defend Turkey under such circumstances because by its actions, Turkey is providing material support to the terrorist group ISIS. For NATO to defend that would make all of us accomplices to terrorism.
You can view REAL TIME SHIP INFO at the AIS Maritime web site, to see for yourselves that Russian ships are being held from transit.
The web site address is:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:27/centery:40/zoom:9

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/587
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

LizStreithorst

It's a worrying situation indeed.  But Russia invaded their air space.  They warned the war plane many times before they shot it down.  Russia deny's this, but they deny everything.  So...in this case who was the aggressor?   Russia says it's bombing ISIS in Syria but we hear that they are bombing all the factions that appose Assad.

All the world leaders are in Paris for the climate change summit.  Thank God.  You know as well as I do that there will be important side discussions.  Nobody want's a 3rd world war.  Surely they will find a way to calm down the Turkey/Russia stand off.  I believe they will, but I'm an optimist.
Always move forward. Never look back.

Mugwump

Well, who knows how true the situation really is....but I found this too...

Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

GraphicGr8s

Nothing to worry about in the ME. Our biggest threat, bigger than all this and ISIS is after all Global Climate Change.
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Mugwump

Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

BallAquatics

The really sad part is that our illustrious statesmen have been so pathetic that someone like Trump is even a consideration.  Our country and morals are simply for sale in D.C.  And a half price sale at that..... that's all our money is worth anymore.

Dennis

Mugwump

Quote from: BallAquatics on December 06, 2015, 06:42:38 PM
The really sad part is that our illustrious statesmen have been so pathetic that someone like Trump is even a consideration.  Our country and morals are simply for sale in D.C.  And a half price sale at that..... that's all our money is worth anymore.

Dennis

You hit the nail on the head there Dennis....Our country deserves better than games being played involving any of our present, or our future leaders.
I blame the various press corps for playing up sounds bites, and sensationalism, in the guise of news. Fox is not the only guilty party.
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

LizStreithorst

He's on NPR, too.  I can't blame the press for covering him,  He's tops in the polls.  It would be dishonest if they didn't cover him.
Always move forward. Never look back.

BallAquatics

Quote from: Mugwump on December 06, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
I blame the various press corps for playing up sounds bites, and sensationalism, in the guise of news. Fox is not the only guilty party.

You're exactly right Jon, it's ALL the cable news outlets.  I think Jon Stewart summed it up nicely when he called out CNN

https://youtu.be/aFQFB5YpDZE

Speaking of being called out, did you hear the President call out the congress tonight?  That should be a weekly occurrence until they get their finger out and start doing the job they signed up to do.

Dennis

GraphicGr8s

Quote from: BallAquatics on December 06, 2015, 07:36:09 PM
Quote from: Mugwump on December 06, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
I blame the various press corps for playing up sounds bites, and sensationalism, in the guise of news. Fox is not the only guilty party.

You're exactly right Jon, it's ALL the cable news outlets.  I think Jon Stewart summed it up nicely when he called out CNN



Speaking of being called out, did you hear the President call out the congress tonight?  That should be a weekly occurrence until they get their finger out and start doing the job they signed up to do.

Dennis

I sure wish they'd start doing what we elected them to do. They promised they'd get rid of ObamaCare. Yet here it still is.

At least now there is some movement on it. And impeachment proceedings may soon start. There are rumors anyway. Hopefully that will come to fruition.
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were

Mugwump

8....you're dreaming....

Dennis, spot on.....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

ghonk

 






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  And impeachment proceedings may soon start. There are rumors anyway. Hopefully that will come to fruition.
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You are living in a fantasy world  ,snap out of it.

BallAquatics

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on December 06, 2015, 07:45:15 PM
I sure wish they'd start doing what we elected them to do. They promised they'd get rid of ObamaCare. Yet here it still is.

Why would the same group that voted it in, turn right around and get rid of Mit Romney's plan?  I think you're delusional, (that means having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions).

Dennis

GraphicGr8s

Quote from: Mugwump on December 06, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
8....you're dreaming....

Dennis, spot on.....

I realize it's but a dream. The establishment Repubicans will never follow through on their promises. They disgust me. Hussein should have been impeached long ago.
There is no such thing as MTS.
West coast of the east coast of North America
Personal Image Management Professional
There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives.
There are only two types of people. Italians and those that wish they were