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How long before it's us?

Started by BallAquatics, July 07, 2015, 02:18:34 PM

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GraphicGr8s

Adding to the current situation information.

While we all think that this mess started in the 2000s it has even deeper roots. You need to go back to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.
Then look at the lawsuit ACORN filed against NCNB forcing them to make loans to those of lower income/lower credit.

Greg, I can't ever pay you back and my CR is 400. Loan me $200,000 so I can buy a house.
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Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
And the Affordable Care Act is working?

There are lots of folks all over this great country that think it is.

Did you think they were going to implement a program that was perfect right from the start?  The UK is still improving on their program.

Dennis

Mugwump

Quote from: BallAquatics on September 12, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
And the Affordable Care Act is working?

There are lots of folks all over this great country that think it is.

Did you think they were going to implement a program that was perfect right from the start?  The UK is still improving on their program.

Dennis
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Adding to the current situation information.

While we all think that this mess started in the 2000s it has even deeper roots. You need to go back to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.
Then look at the lawsuit ACORN filed against NCNB forcing them to make loans to those of lower income/lower credit.

'Joe blow',Greg I can't ever pay you back and my CR is 400. Loan me $200,000 so I can buy a house.

It never got quite that bad as to the 400's....LOL.....

And the ACA is working....where it's not is where the Republican lead states turned down the matching funding to create insurance pools for everyone...and by not doing this they forced the folks in their states to pay inflated insurance premiums....and the ACA is plenty good for Cruz, huh?...his wife quits her job so they can sign up for the good/cheap ACA healthcare...yes, it's working fine most everywhere except in the states where they're just plain rejecting it to try and make it, and the President, look bad......sad.....
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

GraphicGr8s

Quote6. He instated the reckless and unnecessary Bush tax cuts. The biggest experiment in supply-side trickle down economics in history, the Bush tax cuts resulted in catastrophe, blowing a hole in the federal budget and leading to unprecedented social economic inequality.

Why, and when did he instate them? What was going on?

According to official IRS data, the top 1% of income earners paid $84 billion more in federal income taxes in 2007 than in 2000 before the Bush tax cuts were passed, 23% more.  The share of total federal income taxes paid by the top 1% rose from 37% in 2000, before the Bush tax cuts, to 40% in 2007, after the tax cuts.

And finally a word from that great Republican John F Kennedy:

QuoteBut the most direct and significant kind of federal action aiding economic growth is to make possible an increase in private consumption and investment demand -- to cut the fetters which hold back private spending. In the past, this could be done in part by the increased use of credit and monetary tools, but our balance of payments situation today places limits on our use of those tools for expansion. It could also be done by increasing federal expenditures more rapidly than necessary, but such a course would soon demoralize both the government and our economy. If government is to retain the confidence of the people, it must not spend more than can be justified on grounds of national need or spent with maximum efficiency. And I shall say more on this in a moment.

The final and best means of strengthening demand among consumers and business is to reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system -- and this administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963.
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: BallAquatics on September 12, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
And the Affordable Care Act is working?

There are lots of folks all over this great country that think it is.

Did you think they were going to implement a program that was perfect right from the start?  The UK is still improving on their program.

Dennis

Why is Obamacare still so unpopular?

The most recent Real Clear Politics average of recent Obamacare approval finds 43.6% favoring the law and 51.4% opposing it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlaszewski2/2015/06/29/why-the-affordable-care-act-isnt-here-to-stay/
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Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 08:13:38 PM
Quote6. He instated the reckless and unnecessary Bush tax cuts. The biggest experiment in supply-side trickle down economics in history, the Bush tax cuts resulted in catastrophe, blowing a hole in the federal budget and leading to unprecedented social economic inequality.

Why, and when did he instate them? What was going on?

According to official IRS data, the top 1% of income earners paid $84 billion more in federal income taxes in 2007 than in 2000 before the Bush tax cuts were passed, 23% more.  The share of total federal income taxes paid by the top 1% rose from 37% in 2000, before the Bush tax cuts, to 40% in 2007, after the tax cuts.

And finally a word from that great Republican John F Kennedy:

QuoteBut the most direct and significant kind of federal action aiding economic growth is to make possible an increase in private consumption and investment demand -- to cut the fetters which hold back private spending. In the past, this could be done in part by the increased use of credit and monetary tools, but our balance of payments situation today places limits on our use of those tools for expansion. It could also be done by increasing federal expenditures more rapidly than necessary, but such a course would soon demoralize both the government and our economy. If government is to retain the confidence of the people, it must not spend more than can be justified on grounds of national need or spent with maximum efficiency. And I shall say more on this in a moment.

The final and best means of strengthening demand among consumers and business is to reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system -- and this administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963.

The 1%'ers saw a spike in their earnings from 2000-2007, plus the influx of new 1'%'ers emerged.....it's what caused the crash. They were tapping that mortgage market money for all it was worth....they likely would have paid even more except for tax loopholes and offshore accounts....and rightly so...
Jon

?Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ?Wow! What a Ride!? ~ Hunter S. Thompson

GraphicGr8s

Quote from: Mugwump on September 12, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: BallAquatics on September 12, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:47:46 PM
And the Affordable Care Act is working?

There are lots of folks all over this great country that think it is.

Did you think they were going to implement a program that was perfect right from the start?  The UK is still improving on their program.

Dennis
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Adding to the current situation information.

While we all think that this mess started in the 2000s it has even deeper roots. You need to go back to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.
Then look at the lawsuit ACORN filed against NCNB forcing them to make loans to those of lower income/lower credit.

'Joe blow',Greg I can't ever pay you back and my CR is 400. Loan me $200,000 so I can buy a house.

It never got quite that bad as to the 400's....LOL.....

And the ACA is working....where it's not is where the Republican lead states turned down the matching funding to create insurance pools for everyone...and by not doing this they forced the folks in their states to pay inflated insurance premiums....and the ACA is plenty good for Cruz, huh?...his wife quits her job so they can sign up for the good/cheap ACA healthcare...yes, it's working fine most everywhere except in the states where they're just plain rejecting it to try and make it, and the President, look bad......sad.....

In 2013, months before the exchanges came online and the changeover took effect, the government's human resources department issued rules for how Congress would obtain insurance through the exchanges.

Under those rules, senators, representatives and staff seeking insurance through the federal government are required to purchase it on a Washington, D.C.-based exchange intended for local small businesses. But they still receive the same employer contribution as other federal workers ? about 75%.

The companies offering policies through the exchange may be different from those with plans in the federal benefits program and there may be "slight differences in benefit design," said Sabrina Corlette, project director at Georgetown University's Center on Health Insurance Reforms. But on the whole, the options are about the same.

"Essentially those folks are being treated as if they're still in an employer-based plan with an employer contribution to make the premium affordable for members and staff," she said of members of Congress and staffers.

In short, the Affordable Care Act ? as amended by Grassley's proposal ? created a new bureaucratic pathway that members of Congress and their staff must follow to obtain health insurance, but it's virtually indistinguishable from what they had previously.

THE SPECIFICS: So, how does that all relate to Ted Cruz?

Cruz has said he received no health insurance coverage through the federal government since becoming a U.S. senator in 2013. Instead, he and his daughters have been covered under his wife's employer-provided plan.

Now, he has options.

He could enroll in congressional coverage, thereby going on the Washington, D.C.-based exchange, shopping for a plan and then paying roughly 25% of the premium while the federal government picks up the rest.

Because of the Grassley amendment, this technically means he's obtaining coverage under Obamacare, but it's a distinction without a difference, Corlette said. Under this scenario, Cruz would still get insurance with a major contribution from his employer, the federal government.

He wouldn't be enrolled in Medicaid ? which was expanded in many states under Obamacare ? or receive any of the government subsidies provided to moderate-income Americans obtaining private insurance through an exchange, according to the federal Office of Personnel Management.
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BallAquatics

Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
Why is Obamacare still so unpopular?

Just off the top of my head I'd say it's because most of those polled haven't bothered to do any fact finding and simply base there opinion on the crap they hear from outlets like FOX......

Bill O'Reilly is to white people what Jessie Jackson is to the black people.

Dennis

GraphicGr8s

QuoteAnd now we have Trump shamelessly exploiting this issue even more. He?s calling for an end to the 14th Amend?ment?s birthright principle, which guarantees citizenship to anyone born here, and also for a government program to round up all 11 million illegal immigrants and send them home ? an utterly lunatic idea that Trump dismisses as a mere ?management? prob?lem. Like lemmings, many of the other GOP presidential hopefuls just followed Trump over that cliff.

If by any stretch of the imagination that the 14th gives citizenship status to "anchor babies' then riddle me this.

The 14th was ratified in 1868. How come Indians born in the US were not citizens until 1924?

The 14th was actually written for the former slave since they were under the jurisdiction of the US. Illegal aliens are not. They are illegal and actually subject to the jurisdiction of their mother land.
It was in fact to prevent the former slave from the democrats of the time.

http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: BallAquatics on September 12, 2015, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
Why is Obamacare still so unpopular?

Just off the top of my head I'd say it's because most of those polled haven't bothered to do any fact finding and simply base there opinion on the crap they hear from outlets like FOX......

Bill O'Reilly is to white people what Jessie Jackson is to the black people.

Dennis

Better Fox than the crap spewed by the liberal media. Although I can't believe Fox still has Geraldo and O'Reilly.
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: Mugwump on September 12, 2015, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: GraphicGr8s on September 12, 2015, 08:13:38 PM
Quote6. He instated the reckless and unnecessary Bush tax cuts. The biggest experiment in supply-side trickle down economics in history, the Bush tax cuts resulted in catastrophe, blowing a hole in the federal budget and leading to unprecedented social economic inequality.

Why, and when did he instate them? What was going on?

According to official IRS data, the top 1% of income earners paid $84 billion more in federal income taxes in 2007 than in 2000 before the Bush tax cuts were passed, 23% more.  The share of total federal income taxes paid by the top 1% rose from 37% in 2000, before the Bush tax cuts, to 40% in 2007, after the tax cuts.

And finally a word from that great Republican John F Kennedy:

QuoteBut the most direct and significant kind of federal action aiding economic growth is to make possible an increase in private consumption and investment demand -- to cut the fetters which hold back private spending. In the past, this could be done in part by the increased use of credit and monetary tools, but our balance of payments situation today places limits on our use of those tools for expansion. It could also be done by increasing federal expenditures more rapidly than necessary, but such a course would soon demoralize both the government and our economy. If government is to retain the confidence of the people, it must not spend more than can be justified on grounds of national need or spent with maximum efficiency. And I shall say more on this in a moment.

The final and best means of strengthening demand among consumers and business is to reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system -- and this administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963.

The 1%'ers saw a spike in their earnings from 2000-2007, plus the influx of new 1'%'ers emerged.....it's what caused the crash. They were tapping that mortgage market money for all it was worth....they likely would have paid even more except for tax loopholes and offshore accounts....and rightly so...

New 1%ers. Do you mean new as in new to the US from other counties or newly rich 1%ers?

And Jon, two things of note.
1 The 1% pay over 50% of the taxes.
2 47% of the people pay no taxes.

And who was the one that tried to stop the faucet of mortgage money Jon? Who tried to protect the taxpayer Jon? Which Senator had their hand in Country Wide Mortgages back pocket Jon?
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: ghonk on September 12, 2015, 12:46:13 AM
And this.

http://aattp.org/george-w-bush-top-20-ways-he-destroyed-america/

Quote8. Bush destroyed America?s standing in the world by ignoring the international ban on torture. While ignoring several agreements, namely the Geneva Convention, the Pentagon created a network of secret prisons and detention centers, where American soldiers tortured and mistreated suspected terrorists. The Bush White House then created secret detention sites in Eastern Europe in order to evade traditional justice systems.

What they don't tell you is the Geneva Conventions (yes, it is plural there are 4 conventions IIRC) do not apply.
Quote

Unfortunately, the basis for the Red Cross's conclusion appears to have more to do with institutional self-aggrandizement than with international law. Many leftist academics and activists insist that the Geneva Conventions must be universally applied. Yet, that argument is undercut by those treaties' texts. The Third Geneva Convention explicitly states that parties need not apply it to all conflicts, especially when the foes are not parties, and when enemies do not abide by its terms.[16]

No terrorist group is a party to the Geneva Conventions. They have not signed, much less ratified, those treaties. Moreover, it is evident that Hamas, Hezbollah, and members of the global Al-Qaeda network spurn both the spirit and the letter of international treaties designed to ameliorate the cruelty of war. Bloody attacks in New York, Jerusalem, Bali, Madrid, and Beslan are testament to the fact that these groups seek to kill civilians rather than to take captives. And when Islamist terrorists do seize hostages, brutality rather than protection appears to be the rule.

Iraqi insurgents beheaded 26-year-old American businessman Nicholas Berg and shot 20-year-old Keith Matthew Maupin shortly after the June 28, 2004 transfer of sovereignty. On July 22, Iraqi police found the beheaded corpse of a Bulgarian hostage. The Arabic satellite television network Al-Jazeera had confirmed on July 13 that it had a tape showing his execution.[17] Iraqi captors have also executed Pakistanis, a Turk, and a South Korean, among others. Such mistreatment of prisoners is not a new phenomenon among terrorist groups. In the 1980s, Hezbollah captured a number of Westerners in Lebanon, among them priests, journalists, professors, a librarian, and even the president of the American University of Beirut. Hezbollah tortured and hanged U.S. Marine lieutenant colonel William Higgins. Iraqi insurgents who decapitate civilian hostages have no more international legal claim to protection than did Hezbollah kidnappers.

By violating every tenet of international law regarding treatment of prisoners, terrorist groups forfeit any entitlement to protection under the Geneva Conventions. U.S. forces would be within their legal rights to treat captured Al-Qaeda members as they did Nazi saboteurs during World War II?trial by military commission and execution by firing squad.
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GraphicGr8s

Quote from: ghonk on September 12, 2015, 12:46:13 AM
And this.

http://aattp.org/george-w-bush-top-20-ways-he-destroyed-america/

Greg, I have provided the proof shooting down much of the left wing rhetoric you linked. Do I really need to go on?
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Quote10. When attacking Iraq, the Bush Pentagon failed to declare martial law, and did not secure anything except the Iraqi Oil Ministry. Tens of thousands of National Guard soldiers took to the streets in protest, looted the National Museum, and terrorized the Iraqi people as the American soldiers looked on.

I'm not exactly sure if the US President could in fact legally declare martial law in a foreign country.
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The stretch with the flattest level is with the republican control of purse strings. Actually Conservative not repubican.
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