New pair from Martin Bidas.
Male is a Albino Blue Silver Glitter Veil.
Female is a Blue Marble Veil (Het Albino).
They throw Blue Silver and Blue Marble in standard fin,Veil and Super Veil.
With 50% of those being Albinos due to the female carrying an Albino gene.
Great looking pair Greg.
Pretty sweet looking pair Greg....lotsa luck with their breeding....let me know when you get some fry :)
Nice looking pair.
Spawned and ate the eggs.
That's sure not going to happen next time.
If I want the spawn in the future they are getting pulled,period.
Like I always do, i have never had a pair parent raise.
Goodluck Greg! Looks like a good combination.
Good luck. To me an Angelfish pair that is too stupid to raise it's own kids is a culls. I know that it's wrong of me, but that't how I feel.
That said I have had several spawns of Dutch Blue Rams and the parents ate the eggs every time. I'm determined to get a spawn from them one way or another. I plan to pull the next batch of eggs.
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 24, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
Good luck. To me an Angelfish pair that is too stupid to raise it's own kids is a culls. I know that it's wrong of me, but that't how I feel.
That said I have had several spawns of Dutch Blue Rams and the parents ate the eggs every time. I'm determined to get a spawn from them one way or another. I plan to pull the next batch of eggs.
It would be nice to have parent raiser pairs,but I personally wouldn't get rid of them just because they won't.
It's hard enough for me to get the fish that i'm interested in,and then get pairs from them if I have to grew them out.
Many of my pairs were either albinos or threw albinos,so I always pulled the eggs when I wanted the spawn,because I would have the pull the albino fry at free swimming anyway to get them to feed.
But when I was either to busy or to lazy to mess with them they were always eaten.
It would be fair to say that I didn't give SOME of the pairs enough chances in a row to get it right.
But i'm not going to keep multiple pairs and have them eat the spawns over an over again,and then give up and sell them ,and then start all over again.
I totally understand. You're working with hard to breed strains.
If I want them, I pull them when I need them......then back on 'learners permit they go... |^|...parent raisers i leave alone... ;)'
Quote from: LizStreithorst on January 24, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
To me an Angelfish pair that is too stupid to raise it's own kids is a culls.
They certainly would be in nature. No fry, no carrying on of the parents flawed traits...
Dennis
Quote from: Mugwump on January 24, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
If I want them, I pull them when I need them......then back on 'learners permit they go... |^|...parent raisers i leave alone... ;)'
Martin said they were parent raisers,but don't know how many times they actually did,i will have to check with him for more info.
It might be my fault that they ate them this time.
I wasn't looking to buy a pair when he offered them to me,so I didn't have a tank ready.
So the tank they are currently in is still being cycled,did a 50% water changed right before they spawned.
Eggs looked good for 24+ hours,started to get more and more bad eggs after that,POSSIBLY due to the water quality.
Saw the female eying the eggs and the male eying her,had a feeling the were going to eat them by their behavior,came back and most were gone.
Going to pull the next batch or two,if i'm successful raising the albinos from those spawns I should have plenty to sell,then I may give them some more chances.
Pulled the last spawn,great hatch rate,probably 600 eggs and only about a dozen bad ones.
Quote from: ghonk on February 05, 2020, 02:38:40 PM
Pulled the last spawn,great hatch rate,probaly 600 eggs and only about a dozen bad ones.
..... :) |^|
Quote from: Mugwump on February 05, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: ghonk on February 05, 2020, 02:38:40 PM
Pulled the last spawn,great hatch rate,probaly 600 eggs and only about a dozen bad ones.
..... :) |^|
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That's a lot of babies Greg! Good for you |^| |^| |^|
I forgot how much work it is to raise albinos.
They aren't feeding like my albino dantums did.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a TOTAL disaster.
Quote from: ghonk on February 12, 2020, 05:00:13 PM
I forgot how much work it is to raise albinos.
They aren't feeding like my albino dantums did.
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a TOTAL disaster.
...'green water'....
You got this Greg! Goodluck!
Might have 50 albinos that are feeding enough to make it,wish the % was higher but it is what it is.
As long as I don't end up with a bunch with no ventals from hugging the bottom it was worth the PITA so far.
Quote from: ghonk on February 16, 2020, 05:09:43 AM
Might have 50 albinos that are feeding enough to make it,wish the % was higher but it is what it is.
As long as I don't end up with a bunch with no ventals from hugging the bottom it was worth the PITA so far.
..... |^|...nice job....
Likely disaster.
Looks like the albinos aren't going to have any ventrals,unless they are just slower to develop which I doubt
I kept the hang on box pretty clean,don't know that the hell happened.
Have a new batch,either going to pull them from the box sooner or try raising them in a 10.
Wonder if the PLASTIC box is causing it,being rougher VS the glass of a tank bottom.
I DIDN'T have this problem with the albino dantums,raised them in the box and they were fine.
Quote from: ghonk on February 29, 2020, 01:32:22 PM
Likely disaster.
Looks like the albinos aren't going to have any ventrals,unless they are just slower to develop which I doubt
I kept the hang on box pretty clean,don't know that the hell happened.
Have a new batch,either going to pull them from the box sooner or try raising them in a 10.
Wonder if the PLASTIC box is causing it,being rougher VS the glass of a tank bottom.
I DIDN'T have this problem with the albino dantums,raised them in the box and they were fine.
,,,that sucks......
Wonder how Martin raised his fry? Are you able to replicate what he did with them?
I raised albinos before in those hang on plastic box and they did fine. I was planning on doing the same set up when time comes.....but idk. Maybe just luck on my part that one time.
huh
Quote from: Babers on February 29, 2020, 02:31:46 PM
Wonder how Martin raised his fry? Are you able to replicate what he did with them?
I raised albinos before in those hang on plastic box and they did fine. I was planning on doing the same set up when time comes.....but idk. Maybe just luck on my part that one time.
huh
I've heard of folks raising albinos in a shallow dish til they were eating well...... huh
Didn't hear that.....but make sense. Probably same as artificially raising discus and using egg yolk smeared on waterline to feed then in the first few days. huh
Quote from: Mugwump on March 01, 2020, 04:24:34 AM
Quote from: Babers on February 29, 2020, 02:31:46 PM
Wonder how Martin raised his fry? Are you able to replicate what he did with them?
I raised albinos before in those hang on plastic box and they did fine. I was planning on doing the same set up when time comes.....but idk. Maybe just luck on my part that one time.
huh
I've heard of folks raising albinos in a shallow dish til they were eating well...... huh
Getting them to feed is just part of the problem.
Had 50 or more that ate enough to survive.
Only 2 of those have vental fins that are good.
Think I will move them out of the breeder box sooner and see what happens.
Wish I had a smaller tank then a 10,hopefully they will be able to find the food.
The albino Dantums did much better in the box,possibly the blues were weaker and hugged the bottom more.
The bacteria will screw them up at a YOUNG age,before you would even think their ventals would be forming.
Last spawn was a BUST,larger amount of bad eggs likely led to bacteria and they were spinners.
Will probably spawn again in a few days.